Re: On illegal software in an academic assignment ...

Subject: Re: On illegal software in an academic assignment ...
From: alexandre matheson (
Date: Sun Nov 13 2005 - 22:46:22 EST

Whoah... what a great thread. Here is my inexperienced perspective:

Although I don't disagree with the shortcomings of some open source
software I thinks it is unfair to label it as crap that is unusable. If
I can't afford a program I will use the free alternative if there is
one available, is this not wiser than piracy? If so then we have
strayed off the topic of piracy to 'what software is better and why'.

In my (limited) experience I have found no flaws with max/msp only one
concern, cost. I don't think Cycling74 is asking too much for max but
coming from a students perspective I think getting a legal copy
definitely hurts. So why not use Csound or Pure Data or Jmax (is this
still free or do you need an ircam membership now?). For the most part
the ideas are fairly global and are what the student needs to focus on
, the issue is implementing them (as these programs are all different)
is a secondary concern.

In addition, I would like to emphasize how dramatic the situation is
for a student who absolutely needs a tool to complete a project that is
not available to them. Getting a warez copy may make the difference
between a pass and a fail. To me this just illustrates the fact that
school should supply the necessary facilities to complete assigned work.


On Dimanche, novembre 13, 2005, at 09:33 pm, Richard Wentk wrote:

> At 00:17 14/11/2005, you wrote:
>> Open source derives from academia, of course. AT&T licensed UNIX to
>> universities, who redistributed sources. This was the origin of the
>> concept or attitude that software should be free. From UNIX came a
>> professor's toy operating system Minix, and from Minix came Linux. So
>> the lineage is very clear.
> No, it's not, because there's a strong political element that's
> specific to Californian hacker culture with a bit of MIT crossover,
> and not the university ideal in general. Academic products have mostly
> not, in practice, been designed to be shared freely. Hence the long
> and convoluted history of the various UNIX incarnations. Universities,
> especially in the US, have always been keen to develop ties with
> industry and to make commercial efforts to capitalise on IP.
> The real relationship between IP and university development is a
> complicated one, and nowhere close to the ideal you're suggesting.
>> What is the source of your opinion about Csound? What experience do
>> you have with it, especially with Csound 5?
> You mean apart from trying to use it and being on the Csound list for
> 11 years?
> I gave up recently when I finally got a copy of Max/MSP last year.
> Although I still lurk on the Cs5 developers list, I don't have any
> serious interest in anything that Cs5 is doing at the moment, because
> Max/MSP does almost all of it, if not far more, already - including
> its own take on scripting, and an API of sorts.
> Richard

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