Re: On illegal software in an academic assignment ...

Subject: Re: On illegal software in an academic assignment ...
From: Owen Grant (
Date: Sun Nov 13 2005 - 22:41:51 EST

On 14 November 2005 Tom Lopez wrote:

>The question I am asking Kevin and Owen is what do students need? They
>need paper, pens, >books, computers, software, hardware, clothes, food,
>automobiles, cell phones, health >insurance...and don't

>Schools could provide all that, and more, given the appropriate tuition
>money (from students >and/or governments). But seriously, where does one
>draw the line. We expect students to >provide their own paper, pens,
>books, computers...wait, all of that!...except the education >(which the
>school attempts to provide).

I think that if a student requires objects that they didn’t need before the
course started, and if these objects are a necessity in their study, they
should be provided. In the real world institutions can’t afford to buy every
student an instrument -- the cost is too much. Although with software, the
cost to create a new copy is negligible. If software developers weren’t so
insensitive to academic ideology, and understood the difficulties in
teaching students to engage in the creative process, then this problem
wouldn’t exist. If your not taking a market away from the software
developers, and if students aren’t making any money because of the software,
why do they behave so dishonourably? Feeding of the poorest people, trying
to make as much money as they can…all without a shred of remorse. The next
thing is that parents will be charging their children for nighttime
stories…three kisses for Jack and Jill?

On 14 November 2005 Tom Lopez wrote:

>But I don't think the arts are any different than the sciences in this

I think the main difference is that in the sciences you usually book lab
time knowing what you have to achieve, and how you are going to go about it.
In the arts the creative process is, in my opinion, intrinsically linked,
and much more involved. This means that a large proportion of composers work
alone, and in a comfortable and quite environment. I know many students find
it hard to find such an environment within universities -- especially a lab
full of other students…hot rooms, spillage from headphones, chairs scraping,
doors opening and shutting, people looking in every two minutes… it never

Moreover, if a student doesn’t have these resources they will be missing the
most important aspect of the arts -- engaging in the creative process.



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