Re: On illegal software in an academic assignment ...

Subject: Re: On illegal software in an academic assignment ...
From: Tom Lopez (
Date: Sun Nov 13 2005 - 21:12:25 EST

I'll throw in my two cents now...

>> There is a huge catch 22 here: how does the student -- often on
>> the bread line -- afford to by their compositional tools? And how
>> does a student learn to create music without the tools they need
>> to compose?
> Thank you for asking "the" question.
> The University would be obligated to make them available, as in the
> chemistry or biology lab.

Yes, I agree. And many schools do have computer music labs, just
like chemistry and biology labs.

Of course there is much debate about what should be in the computer
music lab. But it's worth mentioning that there are the same debates
for science labs - which hardware? which software? how many
students per "workstation"? etc. In this regard, the issue is
common to arts and sciences.

>> While students, presumably, have to use less user-friendly
>> software such as PD, so they can work on things outside the
>> University walls.
>> Universities arenít supplying what the students need,
> My point as well.

Wait a moment. An obligation to make a computer music lab available
is not the same thing as giving each and every student their own
computer music studio. As far as I know, this has never, ever been
the case. When academic institutions started building electronic
music studios (oscillators, reel-to-reel decks, and so on), no one
would have expected the school to give each student their own
electronic music studio. Science students certainly do not expect to
receive their own personal microscope and software from biology or
chemistry departments.

Does anybody know of an academic institution that provides individual
students their own research tools? whether in the sciences or the arts?

>> The question we should be asking is why arenít further education
>> institutions supplying the tools students' need?
> ditto

That is such a silly question. The question I am asking Kevin and
Owen is what do students need? They need paper, pens, books,
computers, software, hardware, clothes, food, automobiles, cell
phones, health insurance...and don't education.

Schools could provide all that, and more, given the appropriate
tuition money (from students and/or governments). But seriously,
where does one draw the line. We expect students to provide their
own paper, pens, books, computers...wait, all of that!...except the
education (which the school attempts to provide).

Aside from attacking academic institutions, what are you really
trying to say? Because your comments don't make sense to me.

Maybe you think the entire academic system should change. That
schools should provide all of those things?

I'm not trying to apologize for schools. But I don't think the arts
are any different than the sciences in this regard. Also, I think it
would be grand if schools could provide all that! Anyone got ideas
how that could happen?

Sincerely, Tom Lopez

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