Re: On illegal software in an academic assignment ...

Subject: Re: On illegal software in an academic assignment ...
From: Jean Piche (
Date: Sun Nov 13 2005 - 19:41:33 EST

On 05-11-13, at 17:54, Richard Wentk wrote:

> Csound is full of OpenSource-think at the modular level. It's packed
> with third-rate imitations and simulations of modules and processes
> borrowed from other sources and mostly not implemented with any
> obvious competence.

Really? Care to give some examples? Interesting that Csound would be
mainly imitations, given that it was written before anything else.
Barry Vercoe would be very interested in your point of view, along with
the dozens of Csound developers.

> You can script more fluidly in Max/MSP or SuperCollider, and both
> offer more features, implemented more thoughtfully. So while there's
> certainly a niche for a scripted audio language, Csound isn't it.
> Being free shouldn't be used as an excuse for its many shortcomings.

Re-really? Odd that, as a user of csound, supercollider and msp, i find
that once you have mastered the moderately steep learning curve of
csound, its much easier to do complex things in Csound. I grant that
Csound is not for everyone, but i have yet to find something I can't do
with it audio-wise. I find that SuperCollider is a LOT more arcane than
Csound. It is a more "modern" scripter but IMV it fails in allowing
rapid prototyping. As to MSP, I find that it gets impossibly difficult
to do complex patches, specially when the patches needs to respond

> On the other hand, it is quite good at making student pieces that
> sound like a lorry load of Theremins or DX7s falling off a cliff. :-)

As opposed to what? boatloads of techno beats? I find that students
will first do work that explores the path of least resistance, no mater
what the software used. Perhaps you have only heard works done by

> academia != OpenSource

OpenSource originates in academia.


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