Re: On illegal software in an academic assignment ...

Subject: Re: On illegal software in an academic assignment ...
From: Michael Gogins (
Date: Sun Nov 13 2005 - 19:17:03 EST

Open source derives from academia, of course. AT&T licensed UNIX to universities, who redistributed sources. This was the origin of the concept or attitude that software should be free. From UNIX came a professor's toy operating system Minix, and from Minix came Linux. So the lineage is very clear.

Both universities and open source programmers preserve the midieval attitude that the results of scholarship (and software is a form of scholarship among other things) should be freely shared. This is a fundamentally science-based attitude. It is not a business-based or art-based attitude at all.

What is the source of your opinion about Csound? What experience do you have with it, especially with Csound 5?


-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Wentk <>
Sent: Nov 13, 2005 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: On illegal software in an academic assignment ...

At 22:22 13/11/2005, you wrote:
>As a sometime user of Csound and Reaktor, I would have to say that one can
>definitely do much more with Csound than with Reaktor. Although the very
>cool realtime granulation stuff in Reaktor does not exist in Csound, there
>is much more in Csound that does not exist or is difficult to create in

Csound is full of OpenSource-think at the modular level. It's packed with
third-rate imitations and simulations of modules and processes borrowed
from other sources and mostly not implemented with any obvious competence.

You can script more fluidly in Max/MSP or SuperCollider, and both offer
more features, implemented more thoughtfully. So while there's certainly a
niche for a scripted audio language, Csound isn't it. Being free shouldn't
be used as an excuse for its many shortcomings.

On the other hand, it is quite good at making student pieces that sound
like a lorry load of Theremins or DX7s falling off a cliff. :-)

>As you surely must know, the path of innovation in music engineering has
>more often been from academia to industry

academia != OpenSource


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