Re: On illegal software in an academic assignment ...

Subject: Re: On illegal software in an academic assignment ...
From: Michael Gogins (
Date: Sun Nov 13 2005 - 17:22:09 EST

As a sometime user of Csound and Reaktor, I would have to say that one can
definitely do much more with Csound than with Reaktor. Although the very
cool realtime granulation stuff in Reaktor does not exist in Csound, there
is much more in Csound that does not exist or is difficult to create in

Also, for whatever reason, although I was initially quite impressed with the
sound quality of Reaktor patches, I soon found I create better-sounding
patches with Csound.

Although as you say there are commercial plugins that do things open source
software does not do or does not do as well, it is also true that (a)
academic software, which is usually also open source software, and (b) open
source software, contain many original ideas not yet even dreamed of in the
commercial software world.

As you surely must know, the path of innovation in music engineering has
more often been from academia to industry, starting with digital audio
itself, through the unit general model of sound synthesis, to FM synthesis,
to the phase vocoder and its relatives, to physical models, to granular
synthesis, the graphical patcher (Max), etc., all invented by academic
researchers and only later adopted by commerce. On the commercial side we
have the sampler (I think), MIDI which is an engineering botch that has both
fostered and stifled innovation, SuperCollider, and formant-preserving pitch
shifting. The more fundamental innovations have clearly been academic.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Wentk" <>
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: On illegal software in an academic assignment ...

> At 19:06 13/11/2005, you wrote:
>>umm dinosaur corporations' originality and leading the way... ??
> Depends what you mean by dinosaur. Reaktor, Max/MSP, Metasynth, VST
> plug-in environments, GRM tools, ProTools, PhotoShop, Sony Vegas were and
> are innovative products. If you look at the VST plug-in market there's a
> *fantastic* ferment of creativity happening. There's a vast range of
> projects, from disposable me-too effects at one end to intelligent
> additive synthesizers like Cameleon 5000 at the other. If you look at the
> TDM market there are intelligent pitch correctors, linear phase EQs,
> convolution reverbs, and processors from people like Waves, and so on -
> overall a ton of stuff, some of it really quite cool, clever and funky.
> Where in the OpenSource world can you find anything similar? If you want
> dinosaurs there's Csound, which is a 1960s project currently being
> rewritten to bring it into the 1990s. There's a long list of me-toos like
> Audacity. There are some nice doodads and thingummies like Jack, which are
> useful but not quite the last word in creativity. There's SuperCollider,
> which is a thing of beauty but started life as a commercial project.
> But bigger innovation, in the sense that it's happening elsewhere? Not
> much - no.
> Richard

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