Subject: Re: KA-EA
From: Kevin Austin (
Date: Fri Nov 11 2005 - 19:18:52 EST

many of my points exactly:

At 12:34 PM -0500 11/11/05, John Kamevaar wrote:
>I'm sure you're not pivoting your idea on any notion of the primacy
>of immediacy, presence, etc.

I propose not to mix together aspects of control of the information
stream with those of the psychometric. The knowledge / interpretation
of something as being 'present' is in the brain.

>But the difficulty (I'm tempted to say "always" {for me, at least})
>is in the sortation of data: the fragmentations or interruptions of
>flow, references to alterity (live or memorex - hear, I mean "here"
>or from an outer space), in a word "intellectual" operations on the
>level of narrative structure, struggling for cohesion, managing
>disparate collectivities of sensation
>and on the other hand: {[ 2 ears 2 eyes 2 hands... 2 minds?}]

Yes, aspects of the psychometric / psychoacoustic / psychological /
philosophical. As such, they would be individual in perception and

>an attempt to idealize these huge big ears - tiny little body with
>big ears like Mickey Mouse-
>- the "physical" structure/apparatus of hearing (without thinking?)

I do not conceive of the physical structure of the ear as being
psychometric, but that of listening and thinking as being done
"somewhere else".

>My ears don't re-cognize the time-shift between a stimulous arriving
>(coming "in") "instantly" (nor, for that matter the vocal
>fluctuations of quotation marks) through head-phones and the same
>stuff buffeting them in the 46th row of a concert hall, a few
>milliseconds after the "fact".

Sorry, I'm not sure here whether your "ears" are the physical objects
(pinna to organ of corti), or the psychometric aspect. The 'physical'
ear probably don't "recognize" anything. This would operate at the
psychoacoustic level. (The parallel being that the phone doesn't make
a sound. It may cause compression and rarefaction however.)

>On the latter stream of this bifurcation, what is very fundamental
>to me is that when you turn your head the visual scene changes
>entirely (notwithstanding peripheral vision); but the auditory
>"scene" (ah, the tyrrany of sight over the other senses) varies less
>dramatically (not withstanding spatial location).

I wonder ... Try this. Play something through one loudspeaker. Stand
directly in front of it.

Blindfold is new required.

Listen and note that the sound is in front of you.

Turn your head 90 degrees to the left.

Question: Which side is the sound on?

Turn your head 90 degrees to the right

Question: Which side is the sound on?



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