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From: Rick (
Date: Mon Nov 07 2005 - 07:35:05 EST

not the point.

I'm accepting that "orchestral music" is a genre. At least for the
purposes of this argument. I'm saying you're going into too much
detail about style & history, when the real isue isn't genre.

Hi! We;re going to hear Bartok's Concerto for Orchestra. Want to go?"

as opposed to:
Hi! We're going to hear Bartok's Concerto for Orchestra Music. Want to go?"

It's a concerto for orchestra. Not a concerto for orchestra music.
"Orchestra" is not a genre. "Orchestra music" is (or may be)
"Electroacoustics" is not a genre. "Electroacoustic music" is (or may be)

The way I read Kevin on this, and he's here so I can get corrected on
this now instead of later: Electroacoustics is (in all dictionaries by
the way) (paraphrasing three dictionaries OED Mirriam-Webster and
another I've forgotten) "|A science (or practice or investigation) of
the transference of acoustical energy to electrical energy (or

EA as a description of the forces that play it makes perfect sense and
isn't obligated to mention style in any way. You could probably do
something with an orchestra that had nothing to do with music
(marching bands come to mind ;)) A ballet for orchestra where no one
plays a note would be an appropriately absurd example.

On 11/7/05, Richard Wentk <> wrote:
> At 08:12 07/11/2005, you wrote:
> >Even below it's said "orchestral music is a genre". Why not
> >"orchestral is a genre"? Because it doesn't make sense.
> I'd guess when people say 'orchestral music' they really mean something
> very very simple i.e. 'music where an orchestra is playing.' They're not
> paying attention to finer points of style that can distinguish between
> Haydn at one extreme and (say) Ades at the other.
> 'EA is a genre' makes perfect sense in the same kind of way. It misses the
> detail of the various micro-genres involved, but I'm not sure that's a bad
> thing.
> Richard

Rick Nance
De Montfort University
Leicester, UK

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