Subject: Re: traduction/translation
From: Kevin Austin (email@example.com)
Date: Wed Oct 26 2005 - 21:53:46 EDT
The model presented allows for a mapping of the discussion so that
the physical is not confused with the philosophical.
At 10:34 -0700 2005/10/26, Kenneth Newby wrote:
>The notion of meaning however, does seem to bring us back to a
>situation where focus and field might again enter the discussion.
You will notice that in the model, meaning comes from understanding,
which has required perception / decoding, and context.
>The tracing of sound to source, or causal listening to use Chion's
>taxonomy, seems to mirror this mechanism:
I think my previous comment still holds, perception and context.
>using the sound and all its perceptual features,
I think this is what the model tries to clarify; the 'sound'
(molecular displacement) has no perceptual features.
>horizontal, vertical, as you mention ‹ the subsidiaries that allow
>us to focus on the meaning of the sound.
Again, the model proposes that the "sound" does not have 'meaning'.
The meaning is derived from interpretation of perception, within
contexts (in a very gross sense).
>In the notion of reduced listening we focus on the perceptual at the
>risk of losing meaning.
You may have noticed in the proposed model, "listening" is not
located. I take a leaf from Eliot's propositions that it may be
necessary to create new ways of understanding how perception and
>Of course, this is an expanded sense of meaning as Chion provides
>another form of listening he terms semantic, in which a sound
>symbolizes something (language, sound signals, etc.).
The model I presented had a last column that looks something like:
(PSYCHOMETRIC) - - - - - - - - - > imagination
Psychological / philosophical
C O N T E X T
---- critical / descriptive
----- philosophical (speculative)
I have taken "meaning" to be the derived element from / cause of "semantic".
>I would follow Polanyi in this to allow both semantic and causal
>listening as forms of meaning.
Among many many others perhaps.
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