Re: Let's Talk About College


Subject: Re: Let's Talk About College
From: Morgan Sutherland (skiptracer@gmail.com)
Date: Tue Oct 11 2005 - 12:19:04 EDT


Hm, I thought that when I replied to things, CEC relayed them back to
me, putting the thread at the top of my inbox... Did everybody recieve
the below reply?

On 10/10/05, Morgan Sutherland <skiptracer@gmail.com> wrote:
> So John Nowak has successfully convinced me that I should not even
> bother studying computer music as it is much more useful to study
> new-media in general. This would broaden my abilities and ensure that
> I'm not learning things I already know, pigeonholing myself and
> wasting my college experience.
>
> What do people think of this? Sounds like a great idea to me. Taking a
> step back, exploring other mediums. I can always read books and teach
> myself MAX/MSP for audio work. And there's always grad-school for more
> computer-music focused studies.
>
> -----
>
> And I've also realized that location is probably more important than I
> thought. I really do want to end up in a city. College I'm realizing
> is not only a time to be educated, but to discover myself and the
> world. I should put myself in the right place. 5th avenue is perfect,
> but Boston, Montreal, Frisco, Chicago, are possibilities.
>
> -----
>
> And this opens up another question. John says that Parsons is the A+
> choice for this kind of work. He's lost his research, so, with this
> revised scope, any other recommendations? Ideas?
>
> My list looks something like this now:
>
> Washington University (DX Arts program)
> UCSB (CREATE program with Curtis Roads)
> CalArts (computer music with Tom Erb)
> Parsons (Design and Technology)
>
> The top 3 i want to avoid due to location. Anywhere else with these
> types of programs? It's so hard to search for colleges that offer
> majors/departments with ambiguous titiles like "new media" or "design
> and technology".
>
> ----
>
> Ideas...?
>
>
>
> On 10/5/05, Navid Navab <navid.nav@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/4/05, Morgan Sutherland <skiptracer@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Well that changes many things! Thank you.
> > >
> > > On 10/4/05, John Nowak < lists@johnnowak.com> wrote:
> > > > On Oct 4, 2005, at 8:44 AM, Morgan Sutherland wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Are you serious? You must realize that my improper word choice should
> > > > > not be taken with such offense!
> > > >
> > > > I'll make sure to go by your facial expressions next time.
> > > >
> > > > > I'm looking at colleges. I have not seen any of them.
> > > >
> > > > And you're not going to. Going to college for "computer music" is a
> > > > losing game. I tried that. Doesn't work. Try adjusting your focus to
> > > > "new media art" and things go a lot easier. At the very least, you
> > > > get to build artful robots and make perdy video installations if you
> > > > do it right. Single channel media doesn't cut it in this post-post-
> > > > modern age boy. You've got to do it all! Once you realize that,
> > > > you'll soon realize most colleges that offer such things suck, but
> > > > there are a few that Suck Less™. I happen to think the Design &
> > > > Technology program at Parsons is one of them. Good atmosphere. RISD
> > > > is a mess. It's Parsons or the west coast for you; At least as far as
> > > > I know. Another way to go is snagging a liberal arts degree if you're
> > > > a patient type. Eugene Lang is a great way to waste your time.
> > > > Columbia is good if you're the ambitious type. Honestly, don't go the
> > > > the west coast. They're crazies out there.
> > > >
> > > > > Yeah, saying "aim higher" may have been the
> > > > > wrong words, but that is what I've gathered so far, that Berklee is a
> > > > > sort of music trade school (the best albeit), but not, as a college, a
> > > > > competitor with Columbia or MIT for instance.
> > > >
> > > > No, you're entirely right. Berklee sucks. Who wants to hang out with
> > > > a bunch of John Mayer wannabes?
> > > >
> > > > > I've learned to watch my mouth when speaking of universities, but you
> > > > > must allow me to the room to learn this lesson.
> > > >
> > > > Honestly, hit me up off list if you want some help. I just felt like
> > > > taking the piss out of you a bit first... Mostly because I was acting
> > > > the same way not too long ago. Do take seriously what I said above
> > > > though. College is largely a massive scam. It isn't really a "get the
> > > > best" sort of game. It is much more a "get the least worst".
> > > > Especially if your main interest is computer music. I think you're
> > > > beginning to see that already.
> > > >
> > > > I also have a severe "ability to word things in a non-dick manner"
> > > > problem, especially as now when I just woke up. Don't let my tone
> > > > stop you from taking me seriously though... Just having been through
> > > > this myself, I'd suggest I'm saving you a lot of time. Hizzah.
> > > >
> > > > Okay, coffee time... I'll regret this later...
> > > >
> > > > - John
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ART IS NOT
>



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