Re: Let's Talk About College


Subject: Re: Let's Talk About College
From: Morgan Sutherland (skiptracer@gmail.com)
Date: Mon Oct 10 2005 - 21:21:16 EDT


So John Nowak has successfully convinced me that I should not even
bother studying computer music as it is much more useful to study
new-media in general. This would broaden my abilities and ensure that
I'm not learning things I already know, pigeonholing myself and
wasting my college experience.

What do people think of this? Sounds like a great idea to me. Taking a
step back, exploring other mediums. I can always read books and teach
myself MAX/MSP for audio work. And there's always grad-school for more
computer-music focused studies.

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And I've also realized that location is probably more important than I
thought. I really do want to end up in a city. College I'm realizing
is not only a time to be educated, but to discover myself and the
world. I should put myself in the right place. 5th avenue is perfect,
but Boston, Montreal, Frisco, Chicago, are possibilities.

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And this opens up another question. John says that Parsons is the A+
choice for this kind of work. He's lost his research, so, with this
revised scope, any other recommendations? Ideas?

My list looks something like this now:

Washington University (DX Arts program)
UCSB (CREATE program with Curtis Roads)
CalArts (computer music with Tom Erb)
Parsons (Design and Technology)

The top 3 i want to avoid due to location. Anywhere else with these
types of programs? It's so hard to search for colleges that offer
majors/departments with ambiguous titiles like "new media" or "design
and technology".

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Ideas...?

On 10/5/05, Navid Navab <navid.nav@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On 10/4/05, Morgan Sutherland <skiptracer@gmail.com> wrote: > > Well that changes many things! Thank you. > > > > On 10/4/05, John Nowak < lists@johnnowak.com> wrote: > > > On Oct 4, 2005, at 8:44 AM, Morgan Sutherland wrote: > > > > > > > Are you serious? You must realize that my improper word choice should > > > > not be taken with such offense! > > > > > > I'll make sure to go by your facial expressions next time. > > > > > > > I'm looking at colleges. I have not seen any of them. > > > > > > And you're not going to. Going to college for "computer music" is a > > > losing game. I tried that. Doesn't work. Try adjusting your focus to > > > "new media art" and things go a lot easier. At the very least, you > > > get to build artful robots and make perdy video installations if you > > > do it right. Single channel media doesn't cut it in this post-post- > > > modern age boy. You've got to do it all! Once you realize that, > > > you'll soon realize most colleges that offer such things suck, but > > > there are a few that Suck Less™. I happen to think the Design & > > > Technology program at Parsons is one of them. Good atmosphere. RISD > > > is a mess. It's Parsons or the west coast for you; At least as far as > > > I know. Another way to go is snagging a liberal arts degree if you're > > > a patient type. Eugene Lang is a great way to waste your time. > > > Columbia is good if you're the ambitious type. Honestly, don't go the > > > the west coast. They're crazies out there. > > > > > > > Yeah, saying "aim higher" may have been the > > > > wrong words, but that is what I've gathered so far, that Berklee is a > > > > sort of music trade school (the best albeit), but not, as a college, a > > > > competitor with Columbia or MIT for instance. > > > > > > No, you're entirely right. Berklee sucks. Who wants to hang out with > > > a bunch of John Mayer wannabes? > > > > > > > I've learned to watch my mouth when speaking of universities, but you > > > > must allow me to the room to learn this lesson. > > > > > > Honestly, hit me up off list if you want some help. I just felt like > > > taking the piss out of you a bit first... Mostly because I was acting > > > the same way not too long ago. Do take seriously what I said above > > > though. College is largely a massive scam. It isn't really a "get the > > > best" sort of game. It is much more a "get the least worst". > > > Especially if your main interest is computer music. I think you're > > > beginning to see that already. > > > > > > I also have a severe "ability to word things in a non-dick manner" > > > problem, especially as now when I just woke up. Don't let my tone > > > stop you from taking me seriously though... Just having been through > > > this myself, I'd suggest I'm saving you a lot of time. Hizzah. > > > > > > Okay, coffee time... I'll regret this later... > > > > > > - John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > ART IS NOT



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