Re: Computer chicken


Subject: Re: Computer chicken
From: sylvi macCormac (macCormac@shaw.ca)
Date: Sat Oct 01 2005 - 12:55:01 EDT


this is why i love CEC-conferene. dat stochastic realm of one person's post
leads to a new compostional idea or book / film ... or list of schools /
life's lessons ..

questing west, sylvi macCormac

bill thompson wrote:

> funny you should mention the hal foster series because
> it was just recommended to me by an art prof. friend
> who teaches critical theory...i've ordered the
> anti-aesthetic: essays on postmodern culture. there
> were two others but we have them in our library and
> i'd like to check them out before deciding if it's a
> book i want to have permanently.
>
> i used to hate the idea (or what i thought was the
> idea (and sound/look/feel)) of p.m. but all i saw was
> the glaring 'handles' like pastiche/kitch/etc...once i
> saw that there were both more subtle aspects behind
> those ideas and many, many ways of relating to them in
> a work~actually, i just happened to read a book on it
> recently start to finish on a train ride and found
> myself/work all the way through it.
>
> so a new project for me. it's amazing the vast amount
> of literature on this subject for visual art, film,
> photography, drama, literature, etc. and the deficit
> in regards to music. i think there's something
> interesting in that fact, a message in there perhaps?
>
> b.
>
>
> --- njcross@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
> > dunno what you've checked so far but:
> > maybe an early Hal Foster book 'Recodings:
> > Art, Spectacle, Cultural Politics' and Boudrillard
> > on Simulcra. (also see B's
> > classic statement: 'The Gulf War did not happen' and
> > his later explanations -
> > all sounds a bit like 'the 'medium's the message+'
> > to me, tho). There's also
> > lots of interesting stuff to be investigated
> > between, say, collage, pastiche,
> > 'presentism' and maybe even eutrapelia.
> > But there's so much out there...
> > representation/repetition in
> > politics, hmm, that's relevent for Bush/Blur.
> >
> > If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck,
> > probably
> > not a duck, per se.
> >
> > On Thursday 29 September 2005 01:37 pm, bill
> > thompson wrote:
> > > ahh, clear as mud :) i was thinking the looping
> > was a
> > > self-referencing that might have indicated it was
> > > post-modern. it IS confusing to say the least.
> > >
> > > --- Eliot Handelman <eliot@generation.net> wrote:
> > > > bill thompson wrote:
> > > > >--- Eliot Handelman <eliot@generation.net>
> > wrote:
> > > > >>>>it loops into
> > > > >
> > > > >itself, it's the kind of thing
> > > > >that AI's do." An in one short image you have
> > the
> > > > >whole history and
> > > > >destiny of avant-garde art.
> > > > >
> > > > >not to be a complete nerd here, but wouldn't it
> > be
> > > >
> > > > an
> > > >
> > > > >image of postmodern art rather than
> > avant-garde?
> > > >
> > > > No, because the looping novel could only be
> > > > Finnegans Wake, or at least
> > > > that's
> > > > the kind of thing that's evoked for me. The
> > > > postmodern image is the idea of
> > > > an AI doing this, rather than some brilliant
> > > > tortured genius like Joyce.
> > > > The characters
> > > > in the Gibson novel have no interest at all in
> > what
> > > > the AI does, so art
> > > > has become
> > > > a computer intelligence specialization, which,
> > in a
> > > > certain way, it
> > > > always was,
> > > > in run of the mill civilizations, at least.
> > > >
> > > > Gibson sort of dealt with that in his earlier
> > Count
> > > > Zero, which involves
> > > > someone
> > > > trying to track down an artist that turns out to
> > be
> > > > a computer program.
> > > > "The real
> > > > artist," thinks the character, :"is the one who
> > made
> > > > that machine."
> > > > There you have
> > > > the impending metalevel on which all future
> > creative
> > > > activity is likely
> > > > to be predicated.
> > > > And that's certainly reflected in the early
> > > > postmodern style of the late
> > > > 80s, in, eg,
> > > > Seinfeld, and also in the appropriation people
> > of
> > > > the time etc.
> > > >
> > > > It's very complicated to say exactly what IS
> > > > postmodernism, because you can
> > > > find everything you think specific to today in
> > the
> > > > creative explosion of
> > > > modernism.
> > > >
> > > > There's a lot more I'd like to say but I've got
> > to
> > > > work.
> > > >
> > > > --eliot
> > >
> > > www.billthompson.org
> > >
> > >
> >
> ........................................................................
> > > "The more you think about things the weirder they
> > seem." -Calvin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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