Re: Computer chicken


Subject: Re: Computer chicken
From: bill thompson (innerd00r@yahoo.com)
Date: Sat Oct 01 2005 - 13:04:26 EDT


funny you should mention the hal foster series because
it was just recommended to me by an art prof. friend
who teaches critical theory...i've ordered the
anti-aesthetic: essays on postmodern culture. there
were two others but we have them in our library and
i'd like to check them out before deciding if it's a
book i want to have permanently.

i used to hate the idea (or what i thought was the
idea (and sound/look/feel)) of p.m. but all i saw was
the glaring 'handles' like pastiche/kitch/etc...once i
saw that there were both more subtle aspects behind
those ideas and many, many ways of relating to them in
a work~actually, i just happened to read a book on it
recently start to finish on a train ride and found
myself/work all the way through it.

so a new project for me. it's amazing the vast amount
of literature on this subject for visual art, film,
photography, drama, literature, etc. and the deficit
in regards to music. i think there's something
interesting in that fact, a message in there perhaps?

b.
 

--- njcross@sbcglobal.net wrote:

> dunno what you've checked so far but:
> maybe an early Hal Foster book 'Recodings:
> Art, Spectacle, Cultural Politics' and Boudrillard
> on Simulcra. (also see B's
> classic statement: 'The Gulf War did not happen' and
> his later explanations -
> all sounds a bit like 'the 'medium's the message+'
> to me, tho). There's also
> lots of interesting stuff to be investigated
> between, say, collage, pastiche,
> 'presentism' and maybe even eutrapelia.
> But there's so much out there...
> representation/repetition in
> politics, hmm, that's relevent for Bush/Blur.
>
> If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck,
> probably
> not a duck, per se.
>
> On Thursday 29 September 2005 01:37 pm, bill
> thompson wrote:
> > ahh, clear as mud :) i was thinking the looping
> was a
> > self-referencing that might have indicated it was
> > post-modern. it IS confusing to say the least.
> >
> > --- Eliot Handelman <eliot@generation.net> wrote:
> > > bill thompson wrote:
> > > >--- Eliot Handelman <eliot@generation.net>
> wrote:
> > > >>>>it loops into
> > > >
> > > >itself, it's the kind of thing
> > > >that AI's do." An in one short image you have
> the
> > > >whole history and
> > > >destiny of avant-garde art.
> > > >
> > > >not to be a complete nerd here, but wouldn't it
> be
> > >
> > > an
> > >
> > > >image of postmodern art rather than
> avant-garde?
> > >
> > > No, because the looping novel could only be
> > > Finnegans Wake, or at least
> > > that's
> > > the kind of thing that's evoked for me. The
> > > postmodern image is the idea of
> > > an AI doing this, rather than some brilliant
> > > tortured genius like Joyce.
> > > The characters
> > > in the Gibson novel have no interest at all in
> what
> > > the AI does, so art
> > > has become
> > > a computer intelligence specialization, which,
> in a
> > > certain way, it
> > > always was,
> > > in run of the mill civilizations, at least.
> > >
> > > Gibson sort of dealt with that in his earlier
> Count
> > > Zero, which involves
> > > someone
> > > trying to track down an artist that turns out to
> be
> > > a computer program.
> > > "The real
> > > artist," thinks the character, :"is the one who
> made
> > > that machine."
> > > There you have
> > > the impending metalevel on which all future
> creative
> > > activity is likely
> > > to be predicated.
> > > And that's certainly reflected in the early
> > > postmodern style of the late
> > > 80s, in, eg,
> > > Seinfeld, and also in the appropriation people
> of
> > > the time etc.
> > >
> > > It's very complicated to say exactly what IS
> > > postmodernism, because you can
> > > find everything you think specific to today in
> the
> > > creative explosion of
> > > modernism.
> > >
> > > There's a lot more I'd like to say but I've got
> to
> > > work.
> > >
> > > --eliot
> >
> > www.billthompson.org
> >
> >
>
........................................................................
> > "The more you think about things the weirder they
> seem." -Calvin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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