Re: Let's Talk About College


Subject: Re: Let's Talk About College
From: Michael Gogins (gogins@pipeline.com)
Date: Fri Sep 30 2005 - 21:08:42 EDT


We have as much right to express our personal judgments as you do, and in my
opinion you have been expressing your own personal value judgments.

I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

Regards,
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Morgan Sutherland" <skiptracer@gmail.com>
To: <cec-conference@concordia.ca>
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: Let's Talk About College

> Example? All I've done is asked questions...
>
> Regarding Richard. Yes, I know his credentials, I admire him greatly
> and I've emailed him in the past (with no reply). I was not at all
> responding to him, I was acting based on the course descriptions on
> the website and what I've been told by people like Ryan Supak and
> others I've spoken to. As I said, they do not have an electroacoustic
> composition program. And I'll quote myself, "Maybe I'm wrong."
>
> I'd prefer it if you wouldn't use this thread to express your personal
> value judgements.
>
> On 9/30/05, Reynold Weidenaar <reynold@magneticmusic.ws> wrote:
>> Morgan Sutherland:
>>
>> You've burned so many bridges here, that I hope you have an alternate
>> career
>> path in mind!
>>
>> Reynold Weidenaar
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Larry Austin [mailto:larryaustin@grandecom.net]
>> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 5:12 PM
>> To: cec-conference@concordia.ca
>> Subject: Re: Let's Talk About College
>>
>> Once more, Morgan Sutherland, you exhibit your ignorance. Richard
>> Boulanger, a highly respected composer and author, teaches
>> computer music synthesis at Berklee. I understand that the program
>> is strong and highly respected.
>>
>> Larry Austin
>>
>> Morgan Sutherland wrote:
>>
>> > Oh yeah, Berklee too. That was the primary candidate until I decided
>> > to aim higher. They don't have anything relating to electroacoustics
>> > it seems and I get the feeling that it's not a very
>> > intellegent/academic atmosphere... more for preparing you for a
>> > multimedia job. Maybe I'm wrong.
>> >
>> > On 9/30/05, Michael Gogins <gogins@pipeline.com> wrote:
>> > > You should probably get a degree in composition at a school where
>> computer music is valued, such as Columbia, Princeton, Stanford, NYU,
>> University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (sure about those, no doubt
>> there
>> are others).
>> > >
>> > > Some schools teach 'music technology' which has little to do with
>> > > what I
>> call computer music, though that is not always true (NYU has computer
>> music
>> in its MT program, as well as in the composition degree in the music
>> school). I get the vague feeling that MT programs try to split the
>> difference between educating producers (a sort of composer) and educating
>> recording engineers. Usually the MT program offers a master's degree
>> (graduate education for professional practice) and the music program
>> offers
>> a master's (graduate educaton for artistic practice) and a docorate
>> (graduate education for teaching and research).
>> > >
>> > > Berklee might work for you.
>> > >
>> > > Prove to the admissions officers that you will make the cut by
>> > > sending
>> them pieces and software that make the cut. Good references will help.
>> > >
>> > > What's so scary about theory? Sometimes these fears tell us
>> > > something,
>> and we should do what we are afraid of -- sometimes not! We recognize
>> that
>> traditional music theory, as well as contemporary often mathematical
>> music
>> theory, has little to say to some composers these days, but to other
>> composers it may be vital. In any case a theory course may come with ear
>> training, analysis, and music history which are invaluable. I myself find
>> contemporary theory fascinating because I am interested in algorithmic
>> composition.
>> > >
>> > > If in fact you do not make the cut but still want to make music, move
>> > > to
>> a region where these good schools exist, get a day job, and just make
>> music
>> and hang out with people. If you do good work you'll find a place and be
>> respected even if you don't go the academic route.
>> > >
>> > > In any event shoot for the top first, because if you do make the cut
>> they will help you out with money if you need it.
>> > >
>> > > It might be a good idea to bum around and visit campuses and talk
>> > > people
>> up, listen to their music.
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > > Mike
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Morgan Sutherland <skiptracer@gmail.com>
>> > > Sent: Sep 30, 2005 3:45 PM
>> > > To: cec-conference@concordia.ca
>> > > Subject: Let's Talk About College
>> > >
>> > > It's a little early, but soon it's going to be time for me to start
>> > > looking at colleges. Here's what I want in a college:
>> > >
>> > > I live in Massachusetts. This means that anywhere not in New England
>> > > is a plane ride away pretty much. This adds a few thousand dollars to
>> > > the tuition price. I'm not rich. Let's essentially disregard this for
>> > > the moment however. California for all extensive purposes is not
>> > > going
>> > > to be out of the question. The U.K. however, is.
>> > >
>> > > Fields of study. The short unspecific answer: Computer music.
>> > > I'm not sure exactly what field of study I want to enter, but I know
>> > > what I don't want.
>> > > I don't want to be a music major. Music theory isn't a passion for
>> > > me.
>> > > I'm afraid of it.
>> > > I get the feeling that doing something along the lines of
>> > > Computer-science major/Music minor or vice versa wouldn't be what I'm
>> > > into. I'd be into the combination of it.
>> > > What does an electroacoustics major entail? Is that essentially a
>> > > "computer music" degree?
>> > > Clarifcation in this area would be appreciated.
>> > >
>> > > What I want to do:
>> > > Make music throughout my whole life. Hopefully make money from it.
>> > > Design software/hardware for the creation of music. I'm very
>> > > interested in interfaces. My mind could change of course completely,
>> > > but this is where I want to aim. That general area.
>> > >
>> > > Combining computer science and music, but not as mutually exclusive
>> > > entities, that's where I want to go.
>> > >
>> > > My grades are good. B+/A-. My GPA is currently a 3.65. It should go
>> > > up
>> > > to a 3.7 this year. I've been getting better grades than in the past.
>> > > My PSAT scores have been good (haven't taken SATs yet). They've been
>> > > very good: A's.
>> > > My grades have fluctuated a lot however. There are a few C's and an F
>> > > in
>> there.
>> > >
>> > > I would like to go somewhere with research opportunities. Because of
>> > > this, many of the top universities are interesting, but I'm not sure
>> > > I'll make the cut.
>> > >
>> > > What I've been interested in so far:
>> > >
>> > > Concordia in Montreal www.concordia.ca
>> > > Art Institute of Chicago
>> > > http://www.artic.edu/saic/programs/depts/undergrad/sound.html
>> > > MIT (Mass Institute of Technology) www.mit.edu
>> > > Columbia University in New York http://music.columbia.edu/cmc/
>> > > Stanford University http://ccrma.stanford.edu/
>> > > CalArts (CREATE program)
>> http://shoko.calarts.edu/ms_info/compnm_info.html
>> > > University of Washington (DX Arts) http://www.washington.edu/dxarts/
>> > > University of Santa Barbara (Create with Curtis Roads)
>> > > http://www.create.ucsb.edu/create/createWeb/about/news.php
>> > >
>> > > Add to my list!
>> > >
>> > > I'd also looove to attend MIT (Media Lab) or Dartmouth
>> > > (electroacoustics) for their graduate programs.
>> > >
>> > > Recommendations? Comments? Questions?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
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