Subject: Re: Computer chicken
Date: Fri Sep 30 2005 - 14:06:19 EDT
dunno what you've checked so far but:
maybe an early Hal Foster book 'Recodings:
Art, Spectacle, Cultural Politics' and Boudrillard on Simulcra. (also see B's
classic statement: 'The Gulf War did not happen' and his later explanations -
all sounds a bit like 'the 'medium's the message+' to me, tho). There's also
lots of interesting stuff to be investigated between, say, collage, pastiche,
'presentism' and maybe even eutrapelia.
But there's so much out there... representation/repetition in
politics, hmm, that's relevent for Bush/Blur.
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, probably
not a duck, per se.
On Thursday 29 September 2005 01:37 pm, bill thompson wrote:
> ahh, clear as mud :) i was thinking the looping was a
> self-referencing that might have indicated it was
> post-modern. it IS confusing to say the least.
> --- Eliot Handelman <email@example.com> wrote:
> > bill thompson wrote:
> > >--- Eliot Handelman <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> > >>>>it loops into
> > >
> > >itself, it's the kind of thing
> > >that AI's do." An in one short image you have the
> > >whole history and
> > >destiny of avant-garde art.
> > >
> > >not to be a complete nerd here, but wouldn't it be
> > an
> > >image of postmodern art rather than avant-garde?
> > No, because the looping novel could only be
> > Finnegans Wake, or at least
> > that's
> > the kind of thing that's evoked for me. The
> > postmodern image is the idea of
> > an AI doing this, rather than some brilliant
> > tortured genius like Joyce.
> > The characters
> > in the Gibson novel have no interest at all in what
> > the AI does, so art
> > has become
> > a computer intelligence specialization, which, in a
> > certain way, it
> > always was,
> > in run of the mill civilizations, at least.
> > Gibson sort of dealt with that in his earlier Count
> > Zero, which involves
> > someone
> > trying to track down an artist that turns out to be
> > a computer program.
> > "The real
> > artist," thinks the character, :"is the one who made
> > that machine."
> > There you have
> > the impending metalevel on which all future creative
> > activity is likely
> > to be predicated.
> > And that's certainly reflected in the early
> > postmodern style of the late
> > 80s, in, eg,
> > Seinfeld, and also in the appropriation people of
> > the time etc.
> > It's very complicated to say exactly what IS
> > postmodernism, because you can
> > find everything you think specific to today in the
> > creative explosion of
> > modernism.
> > There's a lot more I'd like to say but I've got to
> > work.
> > --eliot
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