Re: Computer chicken


Subject: Re: Computer chicken
From: bill thompson (innerd00r@yahoo.com)
Date: Thu Sep 29 2005 - 16:37:04 EDT


ahh, clear as mud :) i was thinking the looping was a
self-referencing that might have indicated it was
post-modern. it IS confusing to say the least.

--- Eliot Handelman <eliot@generation.net> wrote:

> bill thompson wrote:
>
> >--- Eliot Handelman <eliot@generation.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>>>it loops into
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >itself, it's the kind of thing
> >that AI's do." An in one short image you have the
> >whole history and
> >destiny of avant-garde art.
> >
> >not to be a complete nerd here, but wouldn't it be
> an
> >image of postmodern art rather than avant-garde?
> >
> >
> >
> No, because the looping novel could only be
> Finnegans Wake, or at least
> that's
> the kind of thing that's evoked for me. The
> postmodern image is the idea of
> an AI doing this, rather than some brilliant
> tortured genius like Joyce.
> The characters
> in the Gibson novel have no interest at all in what
> the AI does, so art
> has become
> a computer intelligence specialization, which, in a
> certain way, it
> always was,
> in run of the mill civilizations, at least.
>
> Gibson sort of dealt with that in his earlier Count
> Zero, which involves
> someone
> trying to track down an artist that turns out to be
> a computer program.
> "The real
> artist," thinks the character, :"is the one who made
> that machine."
> There you have
> the impending metalevel on which all future creative
> activity is likely
> to be predicated.
> And that's certainly reflected in the early
> postmodern style of the late
> 80s, in, eg,
> Seinfeld, and also in the appropriation people of
> the time etc.
>
> It's very complicated to say exactly what IS
> postmodernism, because you can
> find everything you think specific to today in the
> creative explosion of
> modernism.
>
> There's a lot more I'd like to say but I've got to
> work.
>
> --eliot
>
>
>
>
>
>

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