Re: Accademia Musicale Pescarese - Pierre Schaeffer Computer Music Competition ?


Subject: Re: Accademia Musicale Pescarese - Pierre Schaeffer Computer Music Competition ?
From: Adrian Moore (A.J.Moore@sheffield.ac.uk)
Date: Thu Sep 29 2005 - 11:24:08 EDT


Dear Felipe.

Very nice to hear your presentation a few days ago.
You do raise a very important point in your email.
I know that, many years ago I questioned, no go no play
(and am subsequently a convert to the idea - pragmatics demand it).
My criticisms of no pay no go (or no play) are that quite often
the pay part is made as difficult as possible (bank transfers
etc.). A 20E or 20$ note inside the CD cover - whilst looking more
like a bribe than an entrance fee - is often easier and quicker.

I would of course expect a receipt from the organisers (an email at
least would be cost free on their part). There is no reason to expect
the competition organiser work for free - they may not have the time
and may need to employ administrative help.

And when it comes to (mainly academic) conferences, whilst I am not a fan of
'the listening room', pragmatics dictate that conferences need the 'we played
200 works' as much as the 200 composers need the 'premiered at such and such a
conference'.

What indeed is wrong about the listening room is that it is a format that
is often given little or no attention by the organisers and therefore by the
conference going public. If it were more in the spirit of a paper session, in
that the composer had a scheduled time, 5 mins to talk about the work and 10-15
to play it, and every 45 minutes there was a brief round up by a 'chair', I am
sure that more people would be interested. Whilst not a performance in any
sense, it would be much more of a shared process and would engender greater
listening.

Best,
Adrian Moore.

Quoting Felipe Otondo <fo500@york.ac.uk>:

> I just want to make a late reply to the email about the entry fee for the
> Pierre Schaeffer Competition. As Antti, I also applied and also send an
> email asking them to clarify me why the issue of the fee was never
> mentioned in any email or in the web page of the competition. I have now
> received the email with the "modified" rules stating that you have to pay
> the 20 Euros. I think that this whole issue about fees for competitions and
> festivals is quite a morally complicated issue. Definitely not very
> encouraging for young composers like me if you have to pay fees all the
> time to get your stuff played or accepted for competitions. One wonders
> what is really the point in all this activities. An interesting example of
> this was the ICMC in Barcelona a couple of weeks ago. As you probably know,
> one has to pay to submit a piece to the ICMC. The thing was that most of
> the "selected" pieces were not even played in concerts. They were put in
> two listening rooms (small classrooms with a CD or DVD player and two
> speakers) so that people could listen to them. One group of pieces everyday
> in each of the two classrooms. As you can imagine, the rooms were always
> empty and most of the people didn't even realised that this activities were
> going on. I only saw another person that went there and sat down to listen
> to the pieces for more than a few seconds. At the end, all that pieces
> appeared in the program as "played" at the ICMC and I guess most of the
> composers were quite happy to have a piece selected and "played" for the
> event. Just wondering if that really happened...
>
> Best,
>
> Felipe
>
>
> --
> Felipe Otondo
> Music Research Centre
> Department of Music
> University of York
> York Y010 5DD
> Great Britain
> Tel: +44 1904 43 2446
> http://music.york.ac.uk/mrc/
> http://www.otondo.net
>
>
> On Sep 27 2005, Antti Sakari Saario wrote:
>
> > Did anyone else on the list receive a rather cryptic email requesting
> > an entry fee to the 'Pierre Schaeffer Computer Music Competition 2005'
> > (well this is what I am guessing they are referring as they are the
> > competition organisers even though the competition is not explicitly
> > stated in the mail)? As far as I can see the rules as found at
> > http://www.suonovirtuale.com/V_Competition.htm make no mention of this.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Antti
> >
> >
> > Dr Antti Sakari Saario
> > Lecturer and Director of Studies in Music Technology
> > LICA - Lancaster Institute for the Contemporary Arts
> > Lancaster University, LA1 4YW, UK
> > Tel: +44(0)1524594496 / Fax: +44(0)1524 593939
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

-- 
Adrian Moore - tel: +44 (0)114 222 0486
University of Sheffield Sound Studios
38 Taptonville Road, Sheffield. S10 5BR. UK
http://www.shef.ac.uk/music
http://www.adrianmoore.co.uk/

Quoting Felipe Otondo <fo500@york.ac.uk>:

> I just want to make a late reply to the email about the entry fee for the > Pierre Schaeffer Competition. As Antti, I also applied and also send an > email asking them to clarify me why the issue of the fee was never > mentioned in any email or in the web page of the competition. I have now > received the email with the "modified" rules stating that you have to pay > the 20 Euros. I think that this whole issue about fees for competitions and > festivals is quite a morally complicated issue. Definitely not very > encouraging for young composers like me if you have to pay fees all the > time to get your stuff played or accepted for competitions. One wonders > what is really the point in all this activities. An interesting example of > this was the ICMC in Barcelona a couple of weeks ago. As you probably know, > one has to pay to submit a piece to the ICMC. The thing was that most of > the "selected" pieces were not even played in concerts. They were put in > two listening rooms (small classrooms with a CD or DVD player and two > speakers) so that people could listen to them. One group of pieces everyday > in each of the two classrooms. As you can imagine, the rooms were always > empty and most of the people didn't even realised that this activities were > going on. I only saw another person that went there and sat down to listen > to the pieces for more than a few seconds. At the end, all that pieces > appeared in the program as "played" at the ICMC and I guess most of the > composers were quite happy to have a piece selected and "played" for the > event. Just wondering if that really happened... > > Best, > > Felipe > > > -- > Felipe Otondo > Music Research Centre > Department of Music > University of York > York Y010 5DD > Great Britain > Tel: +44 1904 43 2446 > http://music.york.ac.uk/mrc/ > http://www.otondo.net > > > On Sep 27 2005, Antti Sakari Saario wrote: > > > Did anyone else on the list receive a rather cryptic email requesting > > an entry fee to the 'Pierre Schaeffer Computer Music Competition 2005' > > (well this is what I am guessing they are referring as they are the > > competition organisers even though the competition is not explicitly > > stated in the mail)? As far as I can see the rules as found at > > http://www.suonovirtuale.com/V_Competition.htm make no mention of this. > > > > Thanks, > > Antti > > > > > > Dr Antti Sakari Saario > > Lecturer and Director of Studies in Music Technology > > LICA - Lancaster Institute for the Contemporary Arts > > Lancaster University, LA1 4YW, UK > > Tel: +44(0)1524594496 / Fax: +44(0)1524 593939 > > > > > > > >

-- Adrian Moore - tel: +44 (0)114 222 0486 University of Sheffield Sound Studios 38 Taptonville Road, Sheffield. S10 5BR. UK http://www.shef.ac.uk/music http://www.adrianmoore.co.uk/



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