Re: Computer chicken


Subject: Re: Computer chicken
From: Rick (ricknance@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Sep 29 2005 - 07:06:01 EDT


But it helps for the dinner.

On 9/29/05, Barry Schrader <ls@barryschrader.com> wrote:
> The oven is neither instrumental in nor essential for the creation of the
> chicken.

Along the same lines; Does a writer using a computer to run a word
processor create a computer novel? If I have a computer controlled
darkroom, is my photography computer driven? Maybe it could if the
computer control made things possible that would not be possible
without it. Not things like automation so you can walk the dog while
the paper stews, but... well you know. You can do granulation without
a computer, but it would be a drag. All those little bits of tape and
you'd get shredded from the razor blades.

Software determines the computer's use and it's function. To label
something "computer n" might make it easy to talk about within an
"understood" context. If you're talking to a group of algorithmic
oriented composers using computers to generate orchestral scores, they
might (or do you?) refer to themselves in certain contexts as
"computer musicians" but it's possibly more descriptive to talk about
them as algorthmic composers. I wonder how the context changes when
the same processes are used to generate orchestral scores and given TO
an orchestra, or alternatively given over to something like CSound or
or a .

I generally find it unhelpful to consider what I do "computer music"
since the software is either a fake mixer/tape-deck or sets of filters
for use on microphone recorded samples. It isn't a very descriptive
term. If someone asked me for an example of computer music, I might
give them a copy of Silver Apples of the Moon.

I might think that it could be used as a description of things done
that not only "require" a computer to do, but also take into account
in their interpretation and intention the theories and processes that
make the computer itself possible.

R

On 9/29/05, Barry Schrader <ls@barryschrader.com> wrote:
> The oven is neither instrumental in nor essential for the creation of the
> chicken.
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> > From: Kevin Austin <kevin.austin@videotron.ca>
> > Reply-To: cec-conference@concordia.ca
> > Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 22:37:31 -0400
> > To: cec-conference@concordia.ca
> > Cc: supper@udk-berlin.de, waburt@melbourne.dialix.com.au
> > Subject: Computer chicken
> >
> > This appeared on the ACMA list.
> >
> > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> >
> > Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 22:00:05 +1000
> > From: Warren Burt <waburt@melbourne.dialix.com.au>
> > Subject: [Acma-l] Computer chicken
> >
> >
> >> From Martin Supper, who is organizing a round table at the SMC05
> > (Sound and Music Computing) Conference in Salerno in November: "An
> > observation: if you grill a chicken in a modern, computer-controlled
> > electric oven, the result will be neither more nor less than grilled
> > chicken. It is not computer chicken. Applying this observation to music
> > demands that one ask the question, what makes computer music computer
> > music?" If you have some answers, please respond to Martin Supper
> > <supper@udk-berlin.de>
> >
> > I hope people on this list can send Martin some interesting replies.
> > (Reply to Martin, not to this list).
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Warren
> >
> > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> >
> > I would like to see the discussion take place on cec-conference. It
> > might be a little wi(l)der given the number of vegetarianisms here!
> >
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Kevin
> >
>
>

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Rick Nance
De Montfort University
Leicester, UK
RickNance.org



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