Re: Le mat?riau Sonore, hidden place

Subject: Re: Le mat?riau Sonore, hidden place
From: Michael Gogins (
Date: Thu Sep 15 2005 - 23:01:16 EDT

We KNOW that we can get computers to make all those cool soundes Shane Turner describes -- it's a conseqauence of the Church-Turing thesis and the finite bandwidth and resolution of the ear.

Only we don't know how to program the computer to make them -- yet.

Learning this stuff is really where it's at with computer music.

That, and understanding how to get the computer to work directly with musical semantics, compositional structures, as we are just beginning to do with sounds.

We won't use the computer to its potential until we know a LOT more about music and music theory -- a lot lot more.


-----Original Message-----
From: Shane Turner <>
Sent: Sep 15, 2005 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: Le mat?riau Sonore, hidden place

I guess this is more of a response to both Ned and Morgan's posts.

While it is true that a computer can create a lot of different sounds, there
are certain things it just cannot create, at least in my opinion. I've been
strictly a computer musician for a long time but the past couple of years,
thanks to hanging out with a few friends, I started really experimenting
with acoustic instruments and this for me opened up a whole different world
I had been missing out on.

Take a piano, it is amazing the sheer variety of timbres and sounds you can
get out of it if you explore a bit. Prepared piano (which in itself can
create an amazing wealth of different sounds), this is only the beginning.
You want noise, try scraping the coils, etc. Want strange tones, try bowing
the strings, and go for the points that create overtones, etc. The richness
of the sound is incredible, and always varied and different. While I love
tinkering around with computer software, the immediacy and hands-on feel of
a live instrument is also hard to beat.

Be the first on your block to surprise your friends with unusual sounds they
can't duplicate in software. Experiment with an acoustic instrument Today.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Morgan Sutherland" <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: Le mat?riau Sonore, hidden place

>I don't think you would disagree that a computer has a much broader
> pallet of sound then ANY instrument.
> On 9/15/05, Ned Bouhalassa <> wrote:
>> A sampler/cd/turntable/cassette deck can make any noise in existence,
>> but only because it _records_ other sounds. If you're talking about
>> synthesized sound, then I disagree. I've yet to hear any
>> computer-synthesized sound that comes close to the richness of timbre
>> of most acoustic instruments and sounds in general. I believe it has to
>> do with the natural chaos of transient material and unpredictability of
>> partials over time occuring in a natural setting, but... I'm in over my
>> head. You guys and gals will surely correct my pop acoustics.
>> Ned
>> On 15-Sep-05, at 7:19 PM, Morgan Sutherland wrote:
>> > The computer can make virtually any noise in
>> > existence while an acoustic instrument is confined to a narrowband of
>> > timbre, however with many many possibilities within those limits.
>> w w w . n e d f x . c o m
>> ??????????????????
>> Ned Bouhalassa
>> ??????????????????
>> n e d @ n e d f x . c o m

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