Re: Le mat?riau Sonore, hidden place


Subject: Re: Le mat?riau Sonore, hidden place
From: miriam clinton (iriXx) (iriXx@iriXx.org)
Date: Thu Sep 15 2005 - 08:34:10 EDT


is "spectral stuff" a measure of good music?

while i enjoy spectral analysis i believe Reaktor can do many things
that CSound can't do. Therefore by your logic, Csound is limited in
comparison?

Morgan Sutherland wrote:

>mmm... some programs have more capabilities, more variables. For
>instance Reaktor doesn't do spectral stuff while i'm presuming CSound
>can... this means that Reaktor is limited in comparison.
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>On 9/14/05, miriam clinton (iriXx) <iriXx@irixx.org> wrote:
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>>as ever, its the person behind the toon - or the person behind the
>>program in this case - that makes the difference.
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>>i believe the quality of work produced has little to do with the program
>>involved, and that a lot of prejudice is held in academia towards
>>non-academic, underground dance oriented programs such as Reaktor. I
>>have used similiar programs - in particular Absynth - with excellent
>>results. I've listened to the most original mixes created using only
>>Fruity Loops - a program that is frowned upon even in the dance world.
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>>Csound is more powerful.... I've never heard such rubbish. The power is
>>in the creator, not the program.
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>>Richard Wentk wrote:
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>>>At 17:05 14/09/2005, you wrote:
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>>>>Why would someone use Reaktor rather than Max/MSP, PD, SuperCollider,
>>>>or Csound? I played with Reaktor 4 and although it was a lot of fun,
>>>>PD and Csound are a lot more powerful and free besides.
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>>>"Csound is more powerful" is just mythology.
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>>>The only things you can do in Csound that you can't do in Reaktor is
>>>script individual events, do spectral processing and (sort of) work
>>>microtonally. Otherwise, virtually any synthesis technique you can
>>>think of can be realised far more quickly in Reaktor than in Csound.
>>>And the general level of creativity and imagination wrt synthesis and
>>>sound design I've seen from the Reakor community has been light years
>>>ahead of the Csound community, many of whom seem to believe that
>>>producing a DX7 clone, a bingly-bongly reverb or an extremely poor
>>>analogue imitation is a major achievement.
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>>>As for price - how much is your time worth? If it takes a week to make
>>>something happen in Csound and a day to make it happen in Reaktor,
>>>which is cheaper?
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>>>Max/MSP is the natural step up from Reaktor, and SuperCollider is a
>>>good alternative for those who like coding. Compared to these
>>>alternatives
>>>PD is a toy, and Csound is a once-interesting but now antiquated and
>>>increasingly irrelevant museum piece. (Although it is a good
>>>Sourceforge playpen for those who like footling around with compilers
>>>and code.)
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>>>Richard
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>>--Eminem
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