Re: what was that?


Subject: Re: what was that?
From: miriam clinton (iriXx) (iriXx@iriXx.org)
Date: Thu Aug 18 2005 - 08:11:07 EDT


Rob Stone wrote:

>>I understand that Linda does not believe the naivite going on, for
>>this is an emotional issue for her, and emotional concerns do not have
>>access to processes of rational thought, or so Proust writes.
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>Recourse to the poetics of feminine hysteria has been one of the most
>celebrated historical means of keeping things just so. Besides, Proust was
>in bed when he wrote this. His activites (delightful and insightful as they
>were) were institutionally sustained by personal wealth.
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>A little time ago, when teaching as a casual in a fine art department, a
>colleague mentioned an occurrence in a tutorial session she had just come
>out from. The studio spaces in the college in question were tiny, and
>separated only by partitions. She overheard a male member of staff ask a
>young student whether she really had to wear a bra when she attended these
>tutorials. My collague spoke to the student afterwards, who said that she
>was fine with such a request. Stumped, then.
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>The character who made the request of the student, was by every measurable
>standard a lazy, appalling and unsuccessful artist, who was very senior in
>the department, and who had moreover managed to exercise the craven
>inadequacies of upper management and was in a proven position to lay off any
>member of casual staff who had in the past questioned his right to make such
>a request of a student, or indulge in any other kinds of relatedly loutish
>behaviour.
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>Despite the student's acquiescence, this is not OK, we know this. In the end
>our predator took an early retirement.
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>My point is that this institution like any other had regulations regarding
>appropriate behaviour, but also would not be arsed to take on a violent and
>powerful bully like this one. Certainly it would not follow through a
>complaint made by any casual member of staff.
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>We all know of examples of such behaviour, too many of them, and I don't get
>why there is a pretense in this discussion that for those of us attached to
>and sustained by art institutions, that there is no gender, race or other
>chauvanisms at work in them. Neither do I understand why we should not be
>rightly outraged by them, or why that anger should find us undone by being
>branded overemotional.
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>Rob
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Rob - I am a woman writing this - just to clarify.

Yes, of course I do not approve - to put it mildly - of anyone being put
in such a position. I have also been witness to men who have had to
endure abuse like this from both women and men in the workplace.

The discourse was not about sexual harassment but about rational
discussion versus emotive thinking. Emotive thinking is when one uses
emotionally loaded buzzwords in order to deliberately sway a discussion
so that anyone who thinks otherwise is immediately seen as 'wrong' under
Politically Correct eyes. It is a form of propoganda.

Rational discussion, however, takes in situations like this as being
quite rationally, abhorrent.

Sexual harassment should never occur, in the workplace or outside - but
sexual harassment is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

mC~

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>>I understand that Linda does not believe the naivite going on, for
>>this is an emotional issue for her, and emotional concerns do not have
>>access to processes of rational thought, or so Proust writes. It
>>follows that the issues framed in these contexts cannot be
>>'discussed', as belief systems (articles of faith) cannot be
>>'discussed', as they are (by definition), not open to change and
>>modification.
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>Kevin, you put my thoughts, as always, in a much more articulate manner.
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>/applaud.
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>Now, if we could get on with rational discussion instead of emotive
>reasoning, perhaps we could get something interesting out of CECdiscuss
>(including the guidelines which you are using at Concordia - perhaps a
>good point for rebuilding this discussion) instead of incessant
>emotionally derived and intentionally persuasive buzzwords - which tire
>me, as a woman!
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