Re: (More) Cool sounds from outer space!

Subject: Re: (More) Cool sounds from outer space!
From: Rob Stone (
Date: Mon Aug 01 2005 - 06:41:40 EDT

art is your listening, and the people you know?
Its an area of negotiation where care and felicity is exercised?

Works for me.


> From: bill thompson <>
> Reply-To: <>
> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 02:46:22 -0700 (PDT)
> To: <>
> Subject: Re: (More) Cool sounds from outer space!
> i think we need to be careful relying on a dictionary
> to define what art is. i'm not being an ass, but this
> year i've been reading book after book on aesthetics
> and if there's anything that's consistent, it's that
> no 'definition' seems to be able to 'define' what art
> is consistently (at least not from book to book,
> author to author, or time period to time
> period...perhaps that's the strength of art?...)
> for me, it's better to talk about an 'aesthetic
> experience' rather then trying to define art...then we
> don't have to worry about if 'i' am communicating
> 'something' via 'art' too you...of if it's
> 'intentional' 'creative' or whatever...the focus moves
> more to the experiencer, which is really where 'art'
>'s not in the's in the
> experience.
> i happen to be able to have that experience listening
> to beethoven (not so much mozart though) as well as
> listening to buildings in the wind, found cassettes,
> and cicadas at night. i honestly feel sad for people
> (this isn't directed specifically at you) that
> can't/don't have those experiences...they miss out on
> SO MUCH BEAUTY for whatever reasons....because they're
> not supposed to? or it's not valid? they feel silly? i
> don't know.
> for me, what i do know, is i don't care if it's 'art'
> (or music, or sound art, or whatever)...i care about
> what it sounds like, how i experience it.
> words are tools, good ones! useful. but they're not
> the thing in itself...point to the moon all you want,
> just stop looking at my finger :)
> b.
> --- "Jan L." <> wrote:
>> If words mean something it makes discussion easier.
>> Otherwise we can
>> go back to grunting (which would be an interesting
>> exercise ;=))
>> Much as I dearly love the soundscape in the woods
>> here - it is really
>> wunderschoen but it is not art.
>> On the other hand I have heard much EA that I think
>> is pure bullshit.
>> But I would call it art. Bad art in my opinion.
>> Here is what wikipedia says:
>> Characteristics of art
>> - Requires creative perception both by the artist
>> and by the audience
>> - Elusive
>> - Communicates on many levels and is open to many
>> interpretations
>> - Connotes a sense of ability
>> - Interplay between the conscious and unconscious
>> part of our being,
>> between what is real and what is an illusion
>> - Any human creation which contains an idea other
>> than its
>> utilitarian purpose.
>> - That which is created with intention to be
>> experienced as art
>> /Jan L.
>> 1 aug 2005 kl. 05.32 skrev Jean-Marc Pelletier:
>>> Just in case, some found my original answer to
>>> a bit short:
>>> Last week, we had an ea concert at our school.
>> About half-way
>>> through I got up and left. I even left in the
>> middle of a piece,
>>> which I reckon was rude, but I really didn't feel
>> like staying any
>>> longer. I went outside and laid in the grass,
>> watching the stars
>>> and listening to the chorus of cicadas, crickets
>> and frogs,
>>> accompanied by the wind brushing the nearby trees.
>> I couldn't help
>>> feeling that all of this was infinitely more
>> beautiful and
>>> interesting than anything I'd heard or seen in the
>> half concert I
>>> attended. This isn't a statement about art. It's
>> not a statement
>>> about music, not even about that particular
>> concert, just my
>>> current state of mind. I haven't bought all that
>> many CDs recently,
>>> and haven't really listened to those I did buy.
>> Instead my
>>> fascination for the order of the world around me
>> has grown.
>>> I linked to the first sample, the one from Saturn,
>> because of its
>>> uncanny resemblance to 1960s SF soundtracks
>> inspired by the Barons'
>>> work. My use of the adjective "cool" was strictly
>> tongue in cheek.
>>> I was trying to capture a little of that 1960s
>> camp in my choice of
>>> words. I might have failed.
>>> The VLT recordings are somewhat different. As some
>> people very
>>> thankfully noticed, VLT transmissions just happen,
>> by chance, to
>>> fall right smack in the human frequency hearing
>> range. Not only
>>> that, the time-scale of the various events is such
>> that there is no
>>> need for any time compression. The setup needed to
>> make these
>>> emissions audible is simply radio receiver -> amp
>> -> speaker. This
>>> makes it an electroacoustic phenomenon. As in
>> electrons to sounds.
>>> This is the list of the Canadian *electroacoustic*
>> community and I
>>> thought this would be more than relevant.
>>> Just to re-iteratate: VLT recordings are 1 to 1
>> mappings of electro-
>>> magnetic disturbances associated with auroras.
>> They are not
>>> "illustrations" but simple transduction. Unless
>> you are
>>> unbelievably pendant, they *are* caused by auroras
>> (in some cases
>>> at least).
>>> I find the question of what is "art" or "music"
>> spectacularly
>>> boring. "Gesang der Junglinge", "Vingt regards sur
>> l'enfant JÚsus",
>>> last week's cicada chorus and VLT emission
>> recordings are all sonic
>>> structures. As perceptible material, they all have
>> value, be it
>>> semantic or morphological. "Dawn chorus"-type of
>> VLT are so-called
>>> because they sound like the chorus of birds in the
>> morning. They
>>> are "beautiful" in part because they function in a
>> programmatic
>>> fashion, appealing to the listener's imagination.
>> This
>>> morphological proximity between "dawn chorus" VLT
>> and birdsong
>>> causes a number of semantic associations in the
>> listener's mind.
>>> Entire imaginary landscapes and sceneries arise
>> before the mind's eye.
>>> In the end, it's all energy. The Pathetic Sonata,
>> "Chiaroscuro",
>>> VLT, me, you, this e-mail message. However, as I
>> sentient being, I
>>> choose to try to find beauty wherever I turn my
>> ear or eye.
>>> Jean-Marc
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