Re: Hearing Loss sites etc

Subject: Re: Hearing Loss sites etc
From: Sylvain (
Date: Thu May 19 2005 - 18:00:02 EDT

The solution should be to turn the speakers the other side so that
musicians get more concerned ;) A few weeks ago, I intended a concert
which was really loud and very noisy too, fortunately I was enough close
from the stage to get my ears behind loudspeakers, and I really realised
that musicians do not hear the sound volume they produce in the hall,
even whith feedback speakers ...
But I noticed too that most of the time, musicians are not really
responsible for this problem, but rather the venue's owners who prefer
to get more quantity (in term of kW) than quality when they invest in
sonorization system ...
For the everybody sake, I learned recently that hearing loss is not
irreversible unless you get to hospital soon enough. If you intend a
concert and after a good night sleep your ears still buzz, it is not too
late (until 48 hours) to go to hospital and get cured but it is
obviously not a solution, I think everybody had understood;) Good to know.
To get information about it (in french sorry), this site make good
information :


Shane Turner wrote:

> earplugs AND earmuffs!
> seriously though, another problem too (especially at electronica/dance
> concerts) is that at many venues people aren't really there for the
> music.. they just don't shut UP during the concerts.. so the music
> goes up.. people talk louder, the music gets louder, etc. combine
> that with a small room with a p.a. designed for a much bigger space..
> and you have a real problem.
> Another problem is general ignorance of the issue. When talking to
> one person about the subject I was told that "headphones are worse,"
> as if the person didn't realize that its the SPL at the ear that makes
> the difference, not headphones or loudspeakers.
> The problem would be so easily solved.. just use a nice limiter going
> into the amp to make sure that the volume levels can't get higher than
> say, 95dB.
> I used to work in a pulp mill. The rules for ear protection were
> strictly followed.. 8 hours at 85 db max, 1 hour at 95dB max,
> according to the Alberta labor code. Its ironic that people who make
> a living using their ears don't show the same respect for their
> hearing, and the hearing of others.
> --shane
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Eustace"
> <>
> To: <>
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> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 2:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Hearing Loss sites etc
>> There are electroacoustic concerts taking placing in Montreal (and
>> all over,
>> I'm sure) that are utterly negligent in terms of the risks to the
>> audience's
>> hearing. I know I can't go to shows anymore - because in my
>> experience there's
>> a much better chance that I'm going to be exposed to such negligence
>> when
>> amplifiers are involved. Even musician's ear plugs are not enough -
>> when being
>> exposed to 100-120 db for 3 hours. Frankly, it feels like my refusal to
>> endanger my hearing is going to make having a career in music all the
>> more
>> difficult.
>> Forgive my ignorance, but what is the electroacoustic community doing
>> to react
>> against this? What do the acoustic ecologists say? Are there venues
>> that cater
>> to the safety conscious? What does Canadian law say about noise
>> levels in
>> concert situations? What can the young electroacoustians (like me) do to
>> support the cause?
>> I'm a little disheartened by it all and I would appreciate your
>> thoughts.
>> Quoting Kevin Austin <>:
>>> A general introduction to (mostly noise induced) hearing loss:
>>> >The National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH)
>>> >has released a useful software package for demonstrating the
>>> >effects of noise-induced hearing loss. The NIOSH Hearing Loss
>>> >Simulator runs on a Windows-based PC with sound capabilities, and
>>> >allows the user to select different durations and levels of noise
>>> >exposure while "hearing" the effects on a variety of foreground and
>>> >background sounds.
>>> Best
>>> Kevin
>> --

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