Re: art not music

Subject: Re: art not music
From: Eliot Handelman (
Date: Sat Feb 26 2005 - 15:58:23 EST wrote:

>A painting may look like a photograph and vice versa.
>Music may sound like EA and vice versa.

The issue seems to be this. Some aspect of ea is non-music. If it's not
music then it should at least be art. Or this is how I'm reading this.

Of course the same issues apply to the whole 20th c foray into modern

Take, eg Stockhausen's Hymnen, which I liked as a kid and which seemed
more like
a movie than music. (a friend asked "is the purposer of this piece to
drive the listener insane?")

It's not that Stocky had something on his hands acknowledged as "art."
Rather, it was
an advanced visionary seer's latest operations upon the history of music
calculated to
thrust man into a new visionary era (if you went along with it). The
same is also probably true of Beethoven 9ith.

When music tries to free itself from music it probably tends to embrace
world-shaking plans
rather than "art" plans -- it wishes to act on reality.

12-tone music, eg, is a kind of metaphytsical probe into the
potentialities of the subconscious perception
of a sort of secret musical calculus. It invoilves the dream that we can
learn to hear anything.

In my view calling EA "art" doesn't help or change anything. The
missing component is the tactical force
-- the feeling of what will happen if I listen to this music. Will it
cheer me up, expose my chaos, or
illuminate something in the universe of man in the way that Bruckner or
Nielsen seem to?

If you can manage to suggest this, as do Rjoji Ikeda or Merzbow, then
the art problem
is moot.

I doin't think I'm much moved by your "EA preceded music" argument --
h.s. mother #1 probably
sang to her infant just as all mothers today do. At any rate the thrust
of most current thinking
in the matter is mother-based, eg circulatory rhythms in the womb
creating the "enclosure" that music
provides us with.

Also, the picture of people "understanding" music via cultural
acquistion of codes sounds more
like the entertainment indistry than like the art industry. But
obviously the lines aren't firm.

-- eliot

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