Subject: Fwd: Re: [WAVE_LIST@UNT.EDU] [ATMI] Graduate School Programs
From: Kevin Austin (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Tue Feb 22 2005 - 23:21:23 EST
Where to go ...
>Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:39:43 -0600
>From: Elizabeth Hinkle <ehinkle@UNT.EDU>
>Subject: Re: [WAVE_LIST@UNT.EDU] [ATMI] Graduate School Programs
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>I have also posted this to WAVE_LIST and IAWMLIST - those listers
>may have further advice - E H-T
>Oh my goodness - this is a HUGE question! Really - there are tons
>of these programs. However, I notice that
>the query is from a young woman (well, I assume that Cala is a woman
>but this may be my ignorance about the name?). This is where >I<
>feel that I can step in because I am one of the world's foremost
>researchers in the area of women and music technology (articles in
>Organised Sound, Computer Music Journal, Leonardo blah blah and book
>on the subject coming out from Ashgate Press in fall 2005). Why is
>this? Because what I have learned over the years especially when it
>comes to women in these programs can be very helpful:
>1. Be very clear about what you want out of this degree. What do
>you want to study? Technology in the music classroom? Music
>software development? Or do you want to be a COMPOSER? It makes a
>Maybe you aren't sure - maybe a school that kind of lets you design
>your own curriculum would be the best for you.
>2. You are a woman. Sadly, you will be a MINORITY in the music
>tech classroom. This may or may not matter to you. But you need to
>be sure of your feelings on the subject. You will need to be very
>comfortable wherever you go to school. There is no right or wrong
>answer to this; it is entirely up to you. Some schools are very
>'women friendly' and some are not. ALL like to THINK that they are
>women - friendly....but they are not. And just because a school has
>a woman directing their studios doesn't mean that it is a
>women-friendly program. I've known a lot of male teachers who have
>been a lot better with women students in terms of nurturing and
>helping as opposed to some women professors I've known.
>3. Listen to the music that comes out of the schools you are
>looking at. Do you like it? Does the work that the professors and
>students are doing interest you? The Society for Electroacoustic
>Music in the United States (SEAMUS) has a whole series of cds
>featuring American electroacoustic music by teachers, independent
>artists, and students. Grab ahold of them in your library and
>listen to them. Read the bios - where do the pieces you like come
>from? The Canadian Electroacoustic Community also features
>recordings by both students and 'adults'. Here are the URLS of
>their websites: www.seamusonline.org and cec.concordia.ca
>4. Visit the schools. Look and listen carefully picking up on
>aural and visual cues especially if #2 - above concerns you. One of
>the professors I had at my alma mater had nude female photos (they
>were french postcards) all over one wall of his office. This did
>not bother me one bit but it might bother someone else! I went to
>a school that was VERY women-unfriendly when I attended but has
>since changed dramatically and is a great place for ALL. I didn't
>CARE that the school was women-unfriendly. I cared about the music
>that came out of the school not how many girls there were. BUT -
>this is not true of everyone. Do the students seem happy there
>(lots of smiles or lots of haggard frowns)? Are their gathering
>places for students (TA offices, lounges in the studio area etc.).
>Does it seem friendly to students and their needs?
>5. What music aesthetic do you like? Pop music/techo? Art music?
>What seems to be the aesthetic focus of their program.
>6. It looks like you are most interested in technology in the music
>classroom. Check out course catalogs. Are those classes offered?
>Are music ed majors allowed in tech classes or are they just open to
>7. Will they give you financial assistance?
>Now we get to the real tricky part - where, based on my research,
>are these programs in the U.S. (and I know some about Canada but
>not enough to speak about it here). The ones with which I am most
>intimately acquainted are listed - comments are given as I feel are
>appropriate. These comments solely reflect the opinions that I have
>formed based on my research and should not be construed as
>recommendations/slams in any way...they are just my opinions based
>on anecdotal research and not empirical study. (oh, and I am going
>to go geographically from east coast to west coast and , of course I
>will have left some out! I'm not perfect!):
>Florida International University - Miami, Florida - new music
>technology program started by Dr. Kristine Burns
>Miami University - Miami, Florida - music technology and also a very
>famous audio engineering program
>University of Florida - Gainesville, FL - music technology led by
>Dr. Jim Sain and Dr. Paul Koonce - really well-done
>music technology festival every April
>University of Virginia - music technology program run by Dr. Judith Shatin
>University of Maryland - Baltimore County - Dr. Linda Dusman. Also,
>Dr. Anna Rubin is there. Also, well-known feminist musicologist and
>audio engineer Dr. Boden Sandstrom. (or Boden may be at UM-College
>Park - I can never keep those straight!)
>Brown University - Todd Winkler and Butch Rovan - very
>multimedia/interactive work oriented
>SUNY - StonyBrook - Daria Semegen and Dan Weymouth
>NYU system - very open to designing your own degree plan - Elizabeth
>Hoffman in charge of tech program
>Brooklyn College - also very open aesthetically and
>degree-plan-wise. Seems particularly interested in attracting
>women to its program
>Columbia University - one of the premiere programs/most famous/lots
>of women graduates. That being said, I have heard both rapturous
>reviews and horrendous horror stories from women regarding their
>For the very intelligent but definately not for the faint-hearted.
>Go in with your eyes open. Could never get a handle on whether it
>was heaven or hell there!
>Princeton University - see Columbia comments above.
>Bowling Green State University, Ohio - Elainie Lillios, Marilyn
>Shrude, Burton Beerman - great school and exciting music festival
>each year. Great feminist musicology place too.
>University of Cinncinnati College-Conservatory of Music - Mara
>Helmuth is director. She is a formidable scholar and research who
>is very supportive of her students. Very research-oriented school
>in computer music. Know nothing about their other areas except
>percussion - Allen Otte - who is a legend
>University of Michigan - both Alicyn Warren and Mary Simoni are
>there. Evan Chambers is there. Excellent program - very hard to
>get in to.
>Michigan State - Mark Sullivan is good, thoughtful colleague of
>mine. Good education and theory school I believe.
>Indiana University - Jeff Hass in music technology seems to be a
>great guy! Lots of happy successful graduates from there
>Ball State University, Muncie Indiana - great program at one of
>those schools where someone who is not a fan of David Letterman
>might go "Ball State? Hunh??" Keith Kothman and Steve Pounds are
>University of Illinois - my alma mater! Used to not be for the
>female faint-hearted but has really changed. Scott Wyatt is AWESOME
>TEACHER (best in the country I humbly believe). Has lots of music
>ed/classroom technology and music tech classes. Great music ed
>program too. Hmmmm....I had better stop gushing....! I am so
>proud to be an Illini! :-)
>Illinois State - good program with folks closely associated with
>ATMI if I recall correctly.
>Northern Illinois University - Jim Phelps is director of tech program
>University of Wisconsin - Madison - went to a great conference there
>once! Know nothing about the studios but they DID stage one of
>Pauline Oliveros' massive electronic operas there a couple of years
>ago so they've gotta be on the ball right?
>University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee - Jon Welstead and Yehuda Yanney
>University of Iowa - Larry Fritts. I taught there. Well-known
>music therapy program.
>Louisiana State University - Steve Beck is director. I was very
>impressed with the quality of their program when I went there for a
>University of Texas - Austin - Russell Pinkston is director.
>Excellent program open to diverse styles with lots
>of happy women graduates. Interestingly, however, it was featured
>in an expose' of music schools that discriminate against women in
>composition in the Chronicle of Higher Education. That article,
>however, was very badly written (I was horribly mis-quoted so I take
>as suspect the info/quotes from everyone else as well) so what can I
>say? Plus I know a lot of women who graduated from there in
>technology and they love the place!
>University of North Texas - where I work! But I am not in the
>College of Music! COM seems women-friendly in the composition
>program - I know and like all of the composers personally. Jon
>Nelson is in charge of the program and he is an excellent composer
>in my opinion. Has a very strong music education program too.
>I know that there are a bunch of schools in the Great western plains
>(CO, AZ, etc.) but I know NOTHING about them! Sorry!
>University of Washington - very strong program with successful
>grads. Diane Thome and Richard Karpen are there.
>Yikes - California! Tons! Here are the ones I know the best:
>CAL-ARTS - excellent, avant-garde program with lots of options.
>Mort Subotnik, Barry Schrader, Mark and Jacqui
>Bobak, David Rosenboom, Anne LeBaron....geez, the list is endless!
>Cal-State Fullerton - I know that composer Pamela Madsen has run a
>very exciting women's music festival featuring a lot of tech works
>there for the past several years
>University of California at Santa Barbara - JoAnn Kuchera-Morin -
>strong educator in a strong program
>Mills College - studios founded by Pauline Oliveros who still comes
>back and teaches often. Maggi Payne is
>excellent in music tech and video.
>Stanford - CCRMA....need I say more? Major research-oriented
>school. Max Matthews...father of computer music.......
>Berkeley - CNMAT....need I say more? John Chowning "Mr. FM
>Synthesis"..... you get the picture (see CCRMA above)
>San Jose State University - used to be a powerhouse in music
>technology. Now is pretty much exclusively a theory and education
>school. Can't recommend for music technology anymore. So
>sad....Allen Strange ran those studios and the guy who is still
>there - Brian Belet - is a good friend.
>Remember - these are MY OPINIONS ONLY based on my research findings
>and experiences. But, they may help a bit! I look forward to other
>folks' contributions to this discussion because I get asked this
>question all the time (especially by women) and like to compile
>From: Association for Technology in Music Instruction
>[mailto:ATMI@LIST.UIOWA.EDU] On Behalf Of Cala DeStefano
>Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 9:24 AM
>Subject: [ATMI] Graduate School Programs
>I am a Music Education ungergraduate major and I am interested in going to
>graduate school for Music Technology, more specifically to teach music
>technology in my music classes. Does anyone have suggestions on schools and
>programs I can look into? Thanks!
>Dr. Elizabeth Hinkle-Turner
>Student Computing Services Manager
>UNT Computing Center
>ISB 129 940-565-4808 email@example.com
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