Re: A one-dimensional universe of sound


Subject: Re: A one-dimensional universe of sound
From: Michael Gogins (gogins@pipeline.com)
Date: Sun Feb 13 2005 - 09:05:35 EST


If you have no choices, you have no deadline.

If I said choices _are_ freedom, that was an excess of rhetoric. What I also
said and what is true is that without choices, there is no freedom. Choices
are a necessary precondition for freedom. So it is true that the more
choices the more freedom.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eliot Handelman" <eliot@generation.net>
To: <cec-conference@concordia.ca>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 2:14 AM
Subject: Re: A one-dimensional universe of sound

> Steve Layton wrote:
>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Gogins" <gogins@pipeline.com>
>> To: <cec-conference@concordia.ca>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 4:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: A one-dimensional universe of sound
>>
>>
>>> In the simplest case I have only one choice, I am not free. In the next
>>> case I have two choices, I am free. In the next case I have three
>>> choices, I am more free than with two. With an infinite number of
>>> choices I have the most possible freedom. This is just common sense.
>>
>>
>> No, you simply have the most possible choices, not the most possible
>> freedom. Personal choices from possibilities is freedom, which (maybe
>> counter-intuitively) is a selective and limiting activity. Or, we could
>> say, a structuring. And, in realistic terms, a finite structuring.
>
>
> We often do our best with no choice, eg, getting a deadline and such.
> It's just then
> that the mind often takes flight into its own imaginative freedom. So I
> agree that choices
> and freedom aren't necessarily the same. There's a whole dialectical
> passage in
> Mann's Faustus about the meaning of freedom in rigor. Of course there's
> also a reference to fascism in that, so you must decide.
>
> -- eliot
>
>



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