Re: Solo ea

Subject: Re: Solo ea
From: Michael Gogins (
Date: Tue Feb 08 2005 - 22:09:55 EST

All right, I would call that kind of music inspired. But it seems to me that
inspiration is the acme of humanity, not post-humanity. There are many ways
of conceiving or naming inspiration. Also I think that in the future,
non-human beings or even artificial beings may prove capable of making this
kind of music -- of being inspired.

What I mean by that is music, like any art, has an objective substrate or
medium. A book is in marks on pages of paper. A painting is paint on canvas.
Music is pressure waves in the air. My esthetic holds that if the medium
does not convey the inspiration without external information about the
author, the medium does not actually contain art.

I agree that forgery matters -- but I would say the question of forgery is
independent of the quality of the music. It matters because lying and
telling the truth matter. But a work of art is not a proposition.

In all this, I think that judgment is possible, but very difficult and

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eliot Handelman" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 11:55 PM
Subject: Re: Solo ea

> wrote:
>>I fail to see what post-humanity, or helmsmanship, or any other mark of
>>personality or lack of personality has to do with the quality of the
>>Surely the music is waves in the air? If you don't know who the composer
>>is, is it still music? If you do know who the composer is, is it still
> It's just a feeling -- that either the music is carried anway through its
> own force, oir that someone
> said "hmm, what next." Goethe says: "we sense the intent and it jars upon
> us." Mahler could pretebnd to be an amanuensis
> of the unverse claiming to be merely an agent of the music. That seems
> false today, but
> we grasp that the music is coming from some rather special place. It lives
> on today in the legacxy of
> our surrealistic heritage. A collective unconscious is involved It was
> granted to an age when music was a common property and people
> bitterly diusputed its fate as though "it" were something rather than a
> social phenomenon. Kandisky
> put beethoven at the apex of his pyramid of human spiritual advancement.
> There were more things
> in the universe trhan are dreamed of in all your tools and plug-ins.
> that was the old situation, and something has to answer to this today,
> which I'm calling "post-human."
> In regrads your last two questions, consider the problem of musical
> forgery -- it shouldn't matter but it does.
> a forged work lacks the transcendant pedigree of the original master
> whether you hear iot or not.
> I don;t know what you mean by music being "waves in the air" -- does a
> smiley go after that?
> -- eliot

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