Re: [off list] Re: Attendance Requirement


Subject: Re: [off list] Re: Attendance Requirement
From: miriam clinton (iriXx) (iriXx@iriXx.org)
Date: Sun Jan 30 2005 - 17:31:44 EST


I would have to agree - both in my student days and as a professional.

ours is not a profession where we earn a great deal of money - unless
we're in a plush university. as Dennis put it - the harsh realities -
budgets are tight even if you have an academic position.

if you don't have an academic position you're left even further out in
the cold.

air fares internationally, to a lot of these conferences which turn up
in odd places around the world - have always been prohibitively
expensive for me. and in my student days, even train fares to Huddersfield.

it has actually put me off submitting anything to a conference, because
i do want to be present if a piece of mine is played. i once had someone
perform a (vocal) piece of mine without inviting me - it turned out to
be a premiere too, although he probably didnt know - and i was extremely
offended.

mC~

Rick wrote:

>By the way,
>
>Were there many students at the ICMC Miami this year?
>
>It was between USD 295 and USD 595 between early and late registration
>for student members and a 60 more at early registration for
>non-members.
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>As it was international, the air fares turned in at around 500
>dollars, and rooms were 100+ a night. Kinda big dosh for students.
>
>Fortunately, the ICMC doesn't require attendance to play your music.
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>Curious,
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>r
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>On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:45:42 -0500, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
><bathory@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
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>>I sent this to Kevin off-list, but he suggested I send it on to the list in
>>order to air some of the points.
>>
>>At 10:44 PM 1/28/05 -0500, Kevin Austin wrote:
>>
>>
>>>How many people would pay the registration fee to go to a conference
>>>where few (or none) of the composers are present?
>>>What are some of the options given the harsher economic realities.
>>>
>>>
>>Well, my electronic colleague, to save myself embarrassment, I'm sending
>>this off-list.
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>>You've found me at an especially unsympathetic moment. What's in your
>>department's dumpster? Unless yours is different from the university
>>dumpsters I've dived for supplies, it's a treasure trove of the nearly-new.
>>And those academic discounts? Equipment & studios to use? Support staff?
>>Months off? Print shops? Sabbaticals? Health insurance? Maybe even pension
>>plans?
>>
>>This "harsher economic realities" thing is a real class issue.
>>
>>And lucre aside, I'd think avoidance of creative inbreeding might be worth
>>paying for. Quite a few names I see on published attendance lists turn up
>>as names presenting at other conferences and then turn up as names
>>presenting at university seminars and doggone if they don't also pop up on
>>university faculties (with few dumpster-divers among them).
>>
>>On the other hand, we independents are cordoned off from those "harsh"
>>(dumpster-free) "economic realities" by our own harsher realities.
>>Collaterally, our groundbreaking work becomes invisible and excluded from
>>the histories of the artform that are written in academia because we're
>>economically de-schmoozed. In truth, even if we document the work ourselves
>>(say, on the web, as you've suggested), it's not likely to find itself in
>>The Big Book of Really Important Electroacoustic Stuff, is it?
>>
>>Okay, back on topic: In my experience, projects that can't economize in
>>order to increase their diversity might want to reconsider their existence.
>>(The pooled resources of several academic conferences might provide one
>>diverse one).
>>
>>Alas, not having attended class-barrier conferences, I haven't observed the
>>production mechanism first-hand, and so can't offer my skinflint suggestions.
>>
>>As I say, you've found me at an especially unsympathetic moment.
>>
>>Dennis
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