Re: Numbers (was:Re: Osborne response - Cyberfeminism)

Subject: Re: Numbers (was:Re: Osborne response - Cyberfeminism)
Date: Tue Jan 11 2005 - 07:02:15 EST

> I'm interested to know, have you any ideas on why there was only one
> female student in your class this year? I am continually glad that
> there are a great many people like you out there, many of whom I've had
> the privilege to teach or who have taught me by example. I'm just
> trying to probe an issue which I think is wider....
> all best
> Katharine

This is an interesting issue without a doubt, and I wish you the best of luck
on your probing. There is a major lack of female students in electroacoustic
classes, but I don't think the male students are to blame...

who/what is to blame IMV

1. The school system: a well-planned conditioning of a state's youth. The
embedding of gender-role concepts into the foundation of one's thought,
disguised as academia. Formerly controlled by the church, this is how the
government plants its seed in our minds, but we can smell that corporations are
planning a take-over.

2. Pop-media: There was a time when the church WAS pop-media. Now it's the
corporate version of the school system, perhaps even more powerfull. Alot can
be learned by reading a cosmopolitan magazine, or by watching baywatch.

3. Parents: They are themselves victims of the above propaganda, and as such
perpetuate the cycle. Assimilated by consumerism, they focus on acquiring more
wealth, leaving their children to be raised by the school system and pop-media.

These are the top 3 enteties of childhood influence. Any mentality which is
rampant in a society will most likely find its roots in 1. or 2.

To conclude, why are female students less likely to be interested in the field
of electroacoustics? I believe you will find the answer if you probe the school
system and pop-media. What a long and ugly process............ tell me if I can


good luck




Quoting Katharine Norman <>:

> Hi Nick,
> On Jan 9, 2005, at 4:24 PM, wrote:
> >
> > All this to say that I really doubt that high-school boys would ever
> > organize
> > to exclude any girls from taking part in a field dear to them. Without
> > girls,
> > it would be a "territory" wasted...
> Rap aside... yes, I agree on both counts ....I think what I was
> pursuing (not necessarily holding up as proven for all high-school
> humanity) is the notion that a behaviour/mindset might be unconsciously
> acquired, by some
> Personally I feel we all risk adopting language and behavior that
> inadvertently excludes at times - policing ourselves round-the-clock
> mindlessly can result in ridiculous over-sensitivity from both genders
> (in the case of gender issues) but on the other hand, drawing attention
> to it for once can make you think. For instance, someone in passing
> just wrote to me that "One man's evening of laptop is another man's
> evening of torture"; I knew exactly what he meant, and I knew for sure
> there was no overt exclusion intended - but it grated a little.
> For a nice take on this kind of unconscious linguistic
> territory-mapping, have a listen to Pamela Z's "Geekspeak", it's very
> funny and not specifically about gender. (well, I think it's
> funny.....)
> >
> > ps. is there a word that gender-neutralizes brotherhood and
> > sisterhood? like
> > um.. siblinghood?
> >
> ain't language annoying.
> > otherwise. I, for one, am displeased at the fact that there is only
> > one girl in
> > my E/A class this semester, and the semester before that, but if it
> > wasn't for
> > her, I could have felt much worse.



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