Re: The word timbre: origins (fwd)


Subject: Re: The word timbre: origins (fwd)
From: John Kamevaar (john.kamevaar@sympatico.ca)
Date: Wed Sep 29 2004 - 20:17:45 EDT


Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Maaaayyyybbbbeeee it's just the result of resonance (the Latin root means echo, echo, echo,
echo,.......)
"reinforcement and prolongation of a sound by reflection or by vibration of other bodies"
That is soooooo Marcel Duchamp!!

"miriam clinton (iriXx)" wrote:

> nah... it comes from the noise Aussies make while felling trees....
>
> 'TtttttttttttttttiiiiiiiiiiIIIIIIIMMMMMMBBBBBBBBbbbbbeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr'
>
> quite.... timbral, wouldn't you say? ;p
>
> mC~
>
> Kevin Austin wrote:
>
> >
> > This came up a while ago.
> >
> > best
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> > (from AUDITORY)
> > --------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:46:46 +1000
> > From: Harvey Holmes <H.Holmes@UNSW.EDU.AU>
> > Subject: Re: origin of 'timbre'
> >
> > I would like to add a little about the evolution of the word in
> > English. My source is the (full) Oxford English Dictionary (OED), the
> > authoritative etymological dictionary in English, which has several
> > entries for 'timbre'. My brief summary of the OED material (OUP, 1971
> > edition) follows.
> >
> > The OED traces the roots to Greek and Latin words, as mentioned below
> > by Claire, but it entered English with different meanings at several
> > different times through the Old French 'timbre'. It was first used in
> > English the 12th century to mean a sort of kettledrum (translating the
> > biblical Latin 'tympanum'), and later also to mean a tambourine and
> > various types of bells (14th century). Various other derivative
> > meanings arose in the middle ages (including a weight(?), a helmet or
> > skull cap, a heraldic crest, etc.).
> >
> > The modern meaning apparently arose only in the 19th century
> > (Charlotte Bronte and later), first meaning 'sound of a bell', then
> > 'sonorous quality of any instrument or of a voice', and finally (1853)
> > 'character or quality of a sound [as distinct from its pitch or
> > intensity]', which is equivalent to the German 'Klangfarbe',
> > essentially its current meaning.
> >
> > Harvey Holmes
> >
> > At 23:36 27/09/2004, you wrote:
> >
> >> Hello Jim
> >> here is some cues so you can follow parts of the evolution of the word.
> >>
> >> TIMBRE : n.m. emprunte au grec byzantin /timbanon /(...) du grec
> >> classique /tumpanon /"tambourin", (...) etant associe aux cultes
> >> orgiaques de Cyb=E8le et de Dyonisos, le mot serait d'origine
> >> s=E9mitique.(...) /Tympanum,/ d'o=F9 viennent la forme h=E9ritee
> >> disparue
> >> /tympe /(v.1155) et l'emprunt /tympan. /(...)/ Timbre /s'est
> >> progressivement eloigne de son sens d'emprunt /tambour de basque=
> >
> > /propre
> >
> >> =E0 l'ancien fran=E7ais; il s'appliquait a la cloche immobile que l'on
> >> frappait avec un marteau (1374), qui est a l'origine du sens
> >> metaphorique de "t=EAte" (v.1450). De cette valeur proc=E8de la locution
> >> /avoir le timbre f=EAle. /(1606). De nos jours, le mot au sens concret
> >> d=E9signe une calotte de metal qui, frapp=E9e par un marteau ou un=
> >
> > vibreur,
> >
> >> sert de sonnette (1858). Par metonymie, il d=E9signe la qualit=E9 de
> >> sonorit=E9 d'un timbre (1762; 1740, "son d'un timbre" et, plus
> >> generalement, d'un instrument donne, valeur importante en musique./=
> >
> > /Il
> >
> >> est employe aussi en phonetique (1926; /timbre d'une voyelle/)./ Timbre
> >> /a eu un autre d=E9veloppement semantique fonde sur une analogie de=
> >
> > forme
> >
> >> avec le tambour ou la cloche nomm=E9e /timbre /au moyen ege. (...)
> >>
> >> Rey, Alain, /Dictionnaire historique de la langue francaise. /editions
> >> LeRobert: Paris, 1998 (1992). Tome 3.
> >>
> >> Claire
> >>
> >>
> >> beaucham a =E9crit :
> >>
> >>> I would like to have a good historical reference for the word
> >>> "timbre". One book (Helmholtz's Sensations of Tone) says it
> >>> was the original word for timpani. Another source says "a sort
> >>> of drum with stretched strings". A dictionary says both "bell
> >>> struck by a hammer" and "tymbanon kettledrum". Is there a
> >>> good source that discusses the original meaning of the word
> >>> and how it came to take on its modern meaning?
> >>>
> >>> Jim
> >>>
> >>> James W. Beauchamp
> >>> Professor Emeritus of Music and Electrical & Computer Engineering
> >>> University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
> >>> 2136 Music Bldg. MC-056
> >>> 1114 W. Nevada, Urbana, IL 61801 USA
> >>> email: jwbeauch@uiuc.edu (also: beaucham@manfred.music.uiuc.edu)
> >>> phone: +1-217-344-3307 (also: 217-244-1207 and 217-333-3691)
> >>> fax: +1-217-344-3723 (also: 217-244-4585)
> >>> WWW: http://ems.music.uiuc.edu/beaucham
> >>
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > End of AUDITORY Digest - 26 Sep 2004 to 27 Sep 2004 (#2004-201)
> >
> >
>
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