Re: electroacoustics - rap to tap to zap to frap


Subject: Re: electroacoustics - rap to tap to zap to frap
gogins@pipeline.com
Date: Thu Aug 05 2004 - 18:07:39 EDT


I'm aware of Kurzweil and his predictions. I personally think that humans
are not Turing machines. But I am willing to believe that humans are
something that humans could learn to make -- other than by having babies --
and I am willing to believe that there might be machines that are more than
Turing machines.

But I don't think Turing machines, i.e. digital computers, can or will
think or create. IF they can, then I think it can only be by evolving, and
a fast evolver would be what creates -- in people and in machines. But even
that doesn't seem to account for consciousness or for artistic taste.

Original Message:
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From: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz bathory@maltedmedia.com
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 16:49:09 -0400
To: cec-conference@concordia.ca
Subject: Re: electroacoustics - rap to tap to zap to frap

At 04:26 PM 8/5/04 -0400, gogins@pipeline.com wrote:
>I think the question of machine composition can be parsed quite simply on
>the basis of responsibility. Most of the responsibility turns out to belong
>to the user or the programmer. The software speeds up certain kinds of rote
>thinking to an amazing degree, which turns out to be very useful. Once you
>introduce genetic programming the speedup may turn out to apply to more
>than rote thinking. But it would take generations of this kind of thing,
>and a great deal more computer power than we currently even know how to
>make, before the question whether the machine was autonomous, i.e.
>responsible the way a person is -- which would be required for there to be
>a real machine composition -- could even begin to arise.

According to both Kurzweil and Georges, responsibility is well past the
programmer's role already -- especially with respect to recursive or
evolutionary kinds of programming. Five years ago, Kurzweil predicted 2020
as a kind of machine=human year, and since most of his predictions have
already been exceeded, I think the only generations we'll be seeing are
computer generations. And those are really short.

We're getting into Eliot's expertise here, and I'd love to hear more from
him about it.

Dennis

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