Re: electroacoustics - rap to tap

Subject: Re: electroacoustics - rap to tap
From: Michael Gogins (
Date: Fri Jul 02 2004 - 07:22:25 EDT

I agree with most of what you say here. However, I think that high or fine
art (which is what, in my view, you're talking about) affects popular art
profoundly, and more than the other way round. Example: everyone uses
Western common practice tonality, never dreamed of in popular music in the
middle ages or Renaissance before its use in art/church music. Example:
everyone records on computers, which were invented by computer music guys,
part of the classical avant-garde. This has a big effect on popular music
style.But the influence does go both ways: backbeats creeping into art
music. One can hope, probabably futilely, that some sort of swing could
saunter into some sort of art music.

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Nowak" <>
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Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 3:36 AM
Subject: Re: electroacoustics - rap to tap

> On Jul 2, 2004, at 12:34 AM, Michael Gogins wrote:
> > Well, I agree with you about noise music and Pollock -- to some extent.
> > Something original was going to happen in the USA after WWII and the
> > Korean
> > War. But it could certainly have been something quite different from
> > what
> > did happen.
> Exactly. I'm not saying culture has no effect as Mr. Mouat may have you
> believe I am. WWII certainly gave romanticism a good slap in the face.
> However, I think it more shifted what was the popular art of the
> period. I suspect many of the artists would've produced the same sorts
> of works anyway. Art is just as much responsible for forming culture as
> it is a product of it. However art, especially "experimental" art, is
> not mostly a product of culture, just like it is not what mostly
> contributes to culture.
> Perhaps the fact that I really only deal with the "fringe" elements of
> art (ugh, I hate describing art as fringe) affects my view on this. For
> things such as popular music, I'd say the influence of culture is much
> greater. In fact, I'd be in agreement with Mr. Moaut in that case that
> culture is the greatest influencing factor. The next country music star
> just plain isn't coming from Iceland. That's a fact.
> Perhaps my obsession with "new" art is getting the better of me. I
> think I might categorize anything which draws too heavily on culture as
> "bad" art. And I also think that most of you would think that's a bad
> thing to think. I don't think that matters much though... I suppose.
> - John

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