Re: electroacoustics - rap to tap

Subject: Re: electroacoustics - rap to tap
From: Michael Gogins (
Date: Fri Jul 02 2004 - 00:34:03 EDT

Well, I agree with you about noise music and Pollock -- to some extent.
Something original was going to happen in the USA after WWII and the Korean
War. But it could certainly have been something quite different from what
did happen.

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Nowak" <>
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Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: electroacoustics - rap to tap

> On Jul 1, 2004, at 10:36 PM, Paulo Mouat wrote:
> > Michael Gogins writes:
> >> Indeed, I fail to see how a person from one culture could
> >> learn to appreciate the music of another culture if there
> >> were not something universal in music as such. Otherwise,
> >> "appreciation" would be pure predatory assimilation, stealing
> >> really, without the appropriator ever entering into the
> >> subjectivity of the music of the other.
> >
> > I believe the "something universal" in music is that it somehow
> > conveys the
> > impression of purpose.
> If you are implying that music is universal in the sense that it
> appears to be music, that the sound's purpose is to be musical, I
> disagree. Plenty of people think much of what I enjoy to be anything
> but music.
> > Music is always a cultural
> > practice (meaning, it is indelibly tied to a specific cultural
> > framework),
> > and it is probably our natural interest in transcending our own
> > cultural
> > boundaries (e.g. the search for novelty) that transports it across
> > cultures.
> I have to to disagree with that. Music tends to be similar amongst
> cultures not necessarily because the culture shapes the music, but
> because the music becomes ingrained in the culture. Its true that it
> works both ways, but I have to take issue with the amount of influence
> you suggest culture has on music. I don't think there's anything about
> Japanese culture that spawned noise music. Noise music just happened to
> originate there, and then later became part of the culture. (We can
> argue about where noise music originated, I'm just giving an example.)
> I also think that, for example, a painter like Pollock could've come
> from anywhere. He happened to come from America, but I think it
> would've been just as natural for him to come from Europe, Asia, of
> Africa.
> - John

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