Re: electroacoustics - rap to tap


Subject: Re: electroacoustics - rap to tap
From: macCormac (macCormac@shaw.ca)
Date: Wed Jun 30 2004 - 12:55:45 EDT


hi Jay (what dis das Boot?)

no shame :-) i'm guessing at things and tilting at wind mills. sounds like everything you said is true ...

i remember saying i hated electroacoustic when i was 25 and then when i went back to school fell in love with th field of EA & Soundscape.

and it is a complex study . copyright law is complicated as music theory and electroacoustic is th worst and best i've heard ... bleep-bleep bleep zip kapow bleepbleep

like music it is a vast and complex sound field with NO end as it is diverse / changing / infinite ... o my god, how could people have come up with such beauty ?

keep questing my friend and i'll do th same :-) how's th coffee : madonna's running a byt late with th second lot ;-)

auf veerd e sane, sylvi macCormac
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studying studying studying composing yep :-)
looks like miriam isn't awake in england yet ;-)

Jay Smalridge wrote:

> dasHello and dasBoot,
> I'll have to hang my head in shame at the comment I made earlier. I forgot the most important aspect of electroacoustic sound is the electro reproduction, right? I guess that something has to be produced through a sort of speaker or electronic means to be considered this way? I hope that my past teachers will forgive me...
> I guess I feel that no matter what the source of the sound, I still think of it in the terms of what it might be, or what it sounds like...?
>
> So, my question is what is the difference between music and "just sounds"(particularly the difference between electroacoustics and electroacoustic music, if I understand the meaning properly)? A lot of people tend to tell me that the tracks off of the PRESENCE cd are just random sounds. After some explanation from me,they see the patterns or purpose and then they can call it music(I must admit even I needed to be shown the light before I could make heads or tales of the music).
> I figure that if we can distinguish music from "just sounds", then perhaps we can see if the types of music you suggested fit or not.
> And maybe I should go have a look at the definition of electroacoustics because I seemed to be out to lunch...of inadaze(insert punchline drum hits here please).
>
> Jay
>
> On Wednesday, June 30, 2004, at 06:39AM, macCormac <macCormac@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> >Ola Dear Dr. Daze
> >
> >como estás ? café bean soup on th way :-) madonna is bringing it this time ;-)
> >
> >perceiving th birds for our use would be humanistic ... but that's another essay / masters @ sfu - echoes of acoustic & literary ecology (c. 2008 macCormac - socan)
> >
> >thanks for th quote - i'll read th essay :-) and all th comments - i'll do some processing ;-) it's early for me & th birds and Ontario is 3 hours east of hear ...
> >
> >i'm guessing when i write- " Music is Electroacoustic when pre-recorded and tranmitted via speakers. Electroacoustic Music is a question-able sound field ;-)
> >'see' also 'stereophonic / schizophonic' Schafer in HandBook for Acoustic Ecology. Truax ed. www.sfu..ca/~truax - Soundscape is a Sub Genre of Electroacoustic Music ? Perhaps a more accurate term would be Electroacoustic Composition to differentiate Electroacoustic Music from Pop Songs / Dub Poetry / Celtic Skip Hop . . .
> >
> >otherwise unamplified music is purely acoustic ... ? ... what is th % we hear electroacoustic / acoustic communication then & now ?
> >
> >only a composer / professor etc could say Electroacoustic Music (x5fast) for 50 years and keep a 'straight' face ;-)
> >
> >all th best in questing, macCormac de fernandéz
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >http://www.sylvi.ca / na / da / bc /
> >soundscape & siwash rock
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >rapper undercover (c) composer in dis guise
> >broadcasting from Kanaka / Kanuka Ranch
> >(see Vancouver BC Canada - Archives)
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >ps iriXs - am too a cleaning lady
> >who always yells to (at) politicians ;-)
> >what do you want for lunch ? salad & tea ?
> >
> >Jay Smalridge wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >> I took this from the cec website: http://cec.concordia.ca/econtact/Profile/Story.htm
> >>
> >> "The term suggests that the manipulation, investigation or "sculpting" of sound is of primary importance. Thus, although the use of MIDI keyboards by a rock band is technically electroacoustic, it is generally considered to be part of the field only if the person at the keyboard is selecting the sounds for their particular characteristics, not simply choosing a preset for playing a known tune."
> >>
> >> -"Sculpting" Sound: The Story of the CEC
> >> By Rosemary Mountain
> >>
> >> In my humble opinion, every sound (including the genres of music) is electroacoustic if the person listening to it perceives it as such. Whether it is intentional or not on the part of the musician, when I hear any kind of sound, I hear it with what I learned in electroacoustics in mind. How did they make that sound? What does it sound like?...
> >>
> >> I remember writing an essay about Norman McLaren and one quote that always stuck with me was that he used to love to go to the cinema to watch movies. Even if the the movie was terrible, what amused him was the hairs or dust that would find there way in front of the projector lens and wiggle on the screen. The person who made the movie obviously did not take this into consideration, but McLaren enjoyed it in this way none the less. I take what I want from the sounds I hear.
> >>
> >> I am sure that what ever higher power there is, does not intentionally make the birds chirp and the wind blow through leaves to make electroacoustic music, but we percieved it that way.
> >>
> >> anyway,I have not had my coffee yet so sorry if this is a little scattered.
> >>
> >> Jay
> >>
> >> PS. Then my questions will persist...=)
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wednesday, June 30, 2004, at 04:36AM, macCormac <macCormac@shaw.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >> >hello (cc: dear Professor Austin)
> >> >
> >> >would i be correct in writing th following :
> >> >
> >> >Professor K. Austin might say that all recorded music (from rap to tap -
> >> >electroacoustic to popular rock)
> >> >is electroacoustic as are mics / boxes / boards and is conducted o'er
> >> >great dis-tances via telephone poles . . . ;-) ...
> >> >
> >> >therefore we must continue to differentiate between
> >> >electroacoustics and electroacoustic music ?
> >> >
> >> >pre recorded
> >> >
> >> >rap music
> >> >pop music
> >> >tap music
> >> >electroacoustic music
> >> >
> >> >are they all electroacoustic music
> >> >as they use electroacoustics ?
> >> >
> >> >we don't write music after rap / pop / tap as much as we do
> >> >electroacoustic ?
> >> >
> >> >how many of you would concur with Professor Austin in a kind of
> >> >'Thoreauivian Concord ' or at least some such 'musical' derivation ?
> >> >
> >> >ps mr in a daze asks most insight full questions. i look forward to
> >> >hearing his e-book :-) i am learning lots and th musical joy & jokes of
> >> >th conference is evident and good for th soul .. well and then there's
> >> >th spam ... if it is perceived as spam ... if a rose is a rose is a rose
> >> >is a rose is spam spam spam spam by any other words to read scan trash
> >> >delete in random earnst ?
> >> >
> >> >thanks for info / insights . . .
> >> >
> >> >best regards, sylvi macCormac (murphy's cousin)
> >> >on th western front with birds chirrrrrrrrrrping
> >> >please say hi to Madonna for me (thanks iriXx)
> >> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> >http://www.sylvi.ca / na / da / bc / siwash rock ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
> >> >soundscape composer / producer / rapper undercover (c)
> >> >dis abled in vaudeville / celtic born on salish land > > > >
> >> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> >broadcasting from Kanuka Ranch (see vancovuer archives)
> >> >day job: identify & arrest www.SOCAN.ca members ;-)
> >> >moonlighting : sly & th family stone only by request
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