Re: electroacoustics - rap to tap

Subject: Re: electroacoustics - rap to tap
Date: Wed Jun 30 2004 - 13:15:19 EDT

I doubt there is any mechanical procedure for examining a sound and
deciding whether it is music or noise. At the same time, I doubt that with
the right training or attitude, any arbitrary specimen of sound can be
heard as music (which is what John Cage seems to have thought, or at any
rate this can be inferred from what he said, but I certainly don't think
so, even though I love John Cage).

In other words, I think that from the God's-eye (or ear) view, it's clear
enough what's music and what's noise. From the human point of view, I think
it does take training to distinguish music from noise, and context and
expectation do enter into it. And you need a certain minimal taste and
ability to even get started.

Original Message:
From: Jay Smalridge
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:49:00 -0700
Subject: Re: electroacoustics - rap to tap

dasHello and dasBoot,
I'll have to hang my head in shame at the comment I made earlier. I forgot
the most important aspect of electroacoustic sound is the electro
reproduction, right? I guess that something has to be produced through a
sort of speaker or electronic means to be considered this way? I hope that
my past teachers will forgive me...
I guess I feel that no matter what the source of the sound, I still think
of it in the terms of what it might be, or what it sounds like...?

So, my question is what is the difference between music and "just
sounds"(particularly the difference between electroacoustics and
electroacoustic music, if I understand the meaning properly)? A lot of
people tend to tell me that the tracks off of the PRESENCE cd are just
random sounds. After some explanation from me,they see the patterns or
purpose and then they can call it music(I must admit even I needed to be
shown the light before I could make heads or tales of the music).
I figure that if we can distinguish music from "just sounds", then perhaps
we can see if the types of music you suggested fit or not.
And maybe I should go have a look at the definition of electroacoustics
because I seemed to be out to lunch...of inadaze(insert punchline drum hits
here please).


On Wednesday, June 30, 2004, at 06:39AM, macCormac <>

>Ola Dear Dr. Daze
>como estás ? café bean soup on th way :-) madonna is bringing it this time
>perceiving th birds for our use would be humanistic ... but that's another
essay / masters @ sfu - echoes of acoustic & literary ecology (c. 2008
macCormac - socan)
>thanks for th quote - i'll read th essay :-) and all th comments - i'll do
some processing ;-) it's early for me & th birds and Ontario is 3 hours
east of hear ...
>i'm guessing when i write- " Music is Electroacoustic when pre-recorded
and tranmitted via speakers. Electroacoustic Music is a question-able sound
field ;-)
>'see' also 'stereophonic / schizophonic' Schafer in HandBook for Acoustic
Ecology. Truax ed. - Soundscape is a Sub Genre of
Electroacoustic Music ? Perhaps a more accurate term would be
Electroacoustic Composition to differentiate Electroacoustic Music from Pop
Songs / Dub Poetry / Celtic Skip Hop . . .
>otherwise unamplified music is purely acoustic ... ? ... what is th % we
hear electroacoustic / acoustic communication then & now ?
>only a composer / professor etc could say Electroacoustic Music (x5fast)
for 50 years and keep a 'straight' face ;-)
>all th best in questing, macCormac de fernandéz
> / na / da / bc /
>soundscape & siwash rock
>rapper undercover (c) composer in dis guise
>broadcasting from Kanaka / Kanuka Ranch
>(see Vancouver BC Canada - Archives)
>ps iriXs - am too a cleaning lady
>who always yells to (at) politicians ;-)
>what do you want for lunch ? salad & tea ?
>Jay Smalridge wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I took this from the cec website:
>> "The term suggests that the manipulation, investigation or "sculpting"
of sound is of primary importance. Thus, although the use of MIDI keyboards
by a rock band is technically electroacoustic, it is generally considered
to be part of the field only if the person at the keyboard is selecting the
sounds for their particular characteristics, not simply choosing a preset
for playing a known tune."
>> -"Sculpting" Sound: The Story of the CEC
>> By Rosemary Mountain
>> In my humble opinion, every sound (including the genres of music) is
electroacoustic if the person listening to it perceives it as such.
Whether it is intentional or not on the part of the musician, when I hear
any kind of sound, I hear it with what I learned in electroacoustics in
mind. How did they make that sound? What does it sound like?...
>> I remember writing an essay about Norman McLaren and one quote that
always stuck with me was that he used to love to go to the cinema to watch
movies. Even if the the movie was terrible, what amused him was the hairs
or dust that would find there way in front of the projector lens and wiggle
on the screen. The person who made the movie obviously did not take this
into consideration, but McLaren enjoyed it in this way none the less. I
take what I want from the sounds I hear.
>> I am sure that what ever higher power there is, does not intentionally
make the birds chirp and the wind blow through leaves to make
electroacoustic music, but we percieved it that way.
>> anyway,I have not had my coffee yet so sorry if this is a little
>> Jay
>> PS. Then my questions will persist...=)
>> On Wednesday, June 30, 2004, at 04:36AM, macCormac <>
>> >hello (cc: dear Professor Austin)
>> >
>> >would i be correct in writing th following :
>> >
>> >Professor K. Austin might say that all recorded music (from rap to tap -
>> >electroacoustic to popular rock)
>> >is electroacoustic as are mics / boxes / boards and is conducted o'er
>> >great dis-tances via telephone poles . . . ;-) ...
>> >
>> >therefore we must continue to differentiate between
>> >electroacoustics and electroacoustic music ?
>> >
>> >pre recorded
>> >
>> >rap music
>> >pop music
>> >tap music
>> >electroacoustic music
>> >
>> >are they all electroacoustic music
>> >as they use electroacoustics ?
>> >
>> >we don't write music after rap / pop / tap as much as we do
>> >electroacoustic ?
>> >
>> >how many of you would concur with Professor Austin in a kind of
>> >'Thoreauivian Concord ' or at least some such 'musical' derivation ?
>> >
>> >ps mr in a daze asks most insight full questions. i look forward to
>> >hearing his e-book :-) i am learning lots and th musical joy & jokes of
>> >th conference is evident and good for th soul .. well and then there's
>> >th spam ... if it is perceived as spam ... if a rose is a rose is a rose
>> >is a rose is spam spam spam spam by any other words to read scan trash
>> >delete in random earnst ?
>> >
>> >thanks for info / insights . . .
>> >
>> >best regards, sylvi macCormac (murphy's cousin)
>> >on th western front with birds chirrrrrrrrrrping
>> >please say hi to Madonna for me (thanks iriXx)
>> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> > / na / da / bc / siwash rock ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
>> >soundscape composer / producer / rapper undercover (c)
>> >dis abled in vaudeville / celtic born on salish land > > > >
>> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >broadcasting from Kanuka Ranch (see vancovuer archives)
>> >day job: identify & arrest members ;-)
>> >moonlighting : sly & th family stone only by request
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >

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