Re: Virtual Concerto

Subject: Re: Virtual Concerto
From: Kevin Austin (
Date: Thu May 20 2004 - 22:12:00 EDT

At 7:42 PM -0400 5/20/04, Michael Gogins wrote:
>If there is no objective reality to musical excellence, then there
>is no reason why garbage lids banging can't as easily evoke the
>raptures critics gush over (fill in their favorite works of their
>favorite composers here).

This statement is true.

>If there is no place for subjective interpretation

This is the opposite of what I proposed; there is only subjective

>If there is no place for subjective interpretation, then the first time
>someone from (fill in your favorite example of a region of unschooled
>barbarity here) hears (fill in your favorite work of your favorite composer
>here), they would automatically gush the raptures that you do.

This is the opposite of the proposition made. Response to cultural
stimulus is learned. I meet many people who think that tonality is


I don't think anything is obvious. Things are learned within cultural
contexts. Do you eat with one hand or two?

>(Obviously) perception and evaluation of art requires BOTH an objectively real
>excellence AND a trained perception.

You may want to read what Kaikhosru Sorabji. said about Brahms,
Beethoven and other 'excellent' composers, or Harry Partch's comments
that western music died with Monteverdi, only to be reborn in the
20th century. Were Sorabji and Partch blind (sic) to "objective real

>Equally obviously, art is more subjective than science. Perhaps the
>first part of the argument here could be filled in a bit to actually
>prove that it does have an objective component.

I have met few scientists who believe that science is objective.
Many, possibly including Einstein, think it is relative.

I understood a long time ago that certain world views requires an
absolute point of reference, or else they would fail. This 'fixed
point' can be a 'North Star' towards which one strives, or it may be
a post to which one is bound.

Your distance (travelled) may vary.



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