Subject: Re: UNESCO-NICE (?)
From: maralefu@excite.com
Date: Wed Dec 02 1998 - 07:29:29 EST
Kevin,
On Tue, 01 Dec 1998 07:37:07 -0400 (EDT), KEVIN AUSTIN wrote:
> Martin Fumarola wrote:
>
>>Hello cecdiscussers
>
> [snip]
>
>>I think it's much more important to see the >>REALITY of them, how much of
those nice words >>are respected (or not)...
>
>
> Martin,
>
>I understand your expressed anger and disgust >with the situation as you
perceive it, and have >possibly experienced it. For this I am truly >sorry.
>
I did and do experience it but I am not the only one who did and does it...
there are many complaints against the CIME/ICEM in international ea/cm
conferences and meetings.
Please remember, for instance, the references to the lack of democracy in
the Venezuelan national federation (member of the CIME of course) stated by
one individual woman member, you forwarded that message to cecdiscuss in
1996.
>This may be an opportunity for the ea/cm >community to examine what was in
>the past: or it may be an opportunity to >examine how to approach the
future.
>
that will require CIME/ICEM reconciliation with the international ea/cm
community as you expressed in your email of June.
>Jose Manuel has offered a rose: I am prepared >to try promote an
examination of this graceful >offer, and will work to open such discussions
>with the Board of the CEC.
>
it's clearly a rose but it's a Jose Manuel's rose not a CIME/ICEM's rose...
> Many members of the Board of the CEC put their >fingers onto the thorn of
the CIME-rose. The >existence of the thorn on a rose should be >considered
as one of its attributes: beauty >does not come without pain.
>
the CIME/ICEM-rose is full of thorns...
> Maybe it's time to re-examine options and >possibilities. Not having been
on the Board of >the CEC at the time of the CEC's withdrawl from >CIME, it
may be that I don't carry the same >'political baggage'.
>
Take into account that at that time (1994) many national federations left
the CIME/ICEM, that was not a simple coincidence. You, Kevin, have expressed
many times in cecdiscuss and other lists that you don't like at all the
CIME/ICEM lack of democracy and other of its flaws.
>
>It could be that in a renewed and revitalized >CIME, the international
ea/cm community will >find the framework for developing new >relationships
and new understandings about our >common interests and goals, and develop
>tolerance and forgiveness for our differences >and human failings.
>
I don't believe a renewed and revitalized CIME
will come...
>
> This is not to be Pollyanna about the >situation, but new options appear
> every day for those who keep their eyes on the >horizon ahead. Little will
be resolved >overnight, and our context is complex. It would >appear to me
that it may now behoove NICE to >enter this discussion.
>
I suggest you to invite Konrad Boehmer, the President of the NICE, or anyone
of the NICE Board to express his viewpoints and thoughts about all this.
Best,
Martin Fumarola
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