From: Eldad Tsabary (tazberry_docs@yahoo.ca)
Date: Fri Dec 14 2007 - 23:13:04 EST
Thanks Eliot,
Eliot Handelman wrote:
> Eldad Tsabary wrote:
>>
>>
>> It's true that all(most all) of us use models in and for our
>> compositions; is using someone's model imitation, theft, or neither?
> Would you mind expanding on what you mean by 'model' here? Also, why
> should this be true?
>
>
I mean any form, pattern, structure, a collection of properties, or one
quality, even just the quality of having a beginning and an end (as
Kevin proposed). Mind you, process-music composers often tried to defy
this basic property as well.
>
>> We are communal creatures; our scientific and artistic growth is
>> based on collectively accumulated knowledge.
>
> First of all, if we understood art as something inherently collective
> (as, eg, Goebbels did) then surely we'd also
> demand that the reality of art be attuned to its reception, which we
> don't. The kind of music discussed in CEC (eg
> "first piece to use oboe & electronics" to cite a recent thread) is
> irrelevant to the greater culture we in internet age
> inhabit -- it would seem to exist in order to controvert collectively
> accumulated knowledge about music.
Even controversy and contradictions are a form of reference to
collectively accumulated knowledge.
>> Hypothetically, a completely-autonomous form of art, lacking any past
>> or future influences would be, in my opinion, irrelevant in the grand
>> scheme of things
> Xenakis would have disagreed since he was interested precisely in a
> music that came "from nothing," ruled only by
> probabilistic behavior. Gendy, the program in which he attempted to
> realize this, is an artistic coup for me, because
> it provides a unique opportunity to explore the sense of agency in
> music, to make both concrete & poetic the feeling
> that we too,after all, are abstractions...
Obviously then, it has a future influence (past or future influence are
equally meaningful; in fact they are one and the same)
As always, thanks for your thought provoking words
Best,
Eldad
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