Subject: Re: loop per track
From: Nye Parry (nye@nyeparry.com)
Date: Thu Dec 20 2007 - 12:33:16 EST
Hi Ingvar
I'm surprised Amadeus pro won't let you do this, as Amadeus 2 does
(you may have to downgrade) if you open a number of files in separate
windows and set them all to loop playback (individually) - of course
you cant synchronize the starts you could in soundmaker (I too mourn
its non-osx ness)
Nye
On 20/12/2007, Ingvar Loco Nordin <loco.nordin@mbox200.swipnet.se> wrote:
> Hi, and thanks for a detailed reply! However, when I think about how
> SoundMaker works, it feels strange to have to go through a learning
> process just to loop tracks... In SoundMaker - which I will use until
> I can buy Digital Performer - you can easily drag new tracks onto the
> window, fill them with sounds and then loop. Let's say you have a
> window with 30 or 40 or 60 tracks, all of different durations/
> lengths. When you start playback, you have one lever playing all
> tracks, but as the levers reach the end of the tracks (and you've set
> playback to loop), those tracks get their own little lever that plays
> just that one track, and the same happens to all tracks, as they
> reach their respective ends, and begin from the beginning again. The
> second time around you then have 30 or 40 or 60 levers traveling
> their different tracks, anbd they just keep this up, changing their
> relative positions each round. Beautiful and indeterminate, even
> though you've chosen the sounds. You can't foresee all the little
> shifts in a piece like that.
>
> I thought for sure most audio softwares woukd have this feature,
> since I got so used to it through the extremely cheap SoundMaker, but
> now I realize that this is an UNUSUAL feature. This really caught me
> off-guard!
>
> Now back to editing 100 hours of Stockhausen talks from Kürten...
>
> Ingvar Loco Nordin
>
>
> 19 dec 2007 kl. 19.28 skrev Paul Scriver:
>
> > Hi Ingvar
> >
> > You can do this in a number of ways (Cage, Eno and others have done
> > it with multiple reel to reel tape loops, CDRs of differing lengths
> > etc...) . It sounds like you want whatever program you are using
> > to be able to loop without having to customize anything. In the
> > case of many recent versions of OSX friendly software, there is a
> > way to loop individual tracks, though perhaps not in the way that
> > you envision. With one exception, none of the applications that I
> > am thinking about can be bought for less than 3 or 4 hundred
> > dollars though.
> >
> > Abelton Live, Logic Pro, Pro Tools (LE etc), undoubtedly Sonar and
> > many other Digital Audio Editing and MIDI sequencing applications
> > can loop tracks individually. However, with the exception of Live
> > which is really oriented towards using audio files as looping
> > components in a piece, the user would be required to set up the
> > tracks so that they would loop by doing a kind of "paste and loop"
> > edit function. In Logic Pro for example, you would place the audio
> > file on a track and either check a box that would set it to loop
> > (by the length of the audio file) or use a special tool that allows
> > you to drag a sort of loop marker out to the desired end of loop
> > location. In Pro Tools there is a similar technique.
> >
> > The other way is to learn how to make a looping buffer in MAX/MSP.
> > You can customize MAX to a great degree, in fact it will take you a
> > while to learn how to set up audio buffers and make a sequencing
> > program that does what you want, but of course, you can then build
> > all kinds of other functionality into the patch. The free ware
> > version of MAX/MSP is called Pure Data, otherwise known as PD.
> > Both MAX and PD have a huge online user base where you can find
> > resources and pre-made modules and patches that will help you to
> > create your own patches. Incidentally, many PD patches and
> > components will be found on the same web page as MAX. Many of the
> > "externals" (pre-made objects that have a variety of different
> > functions in MAX such as buffers, filters etc...) used in MAX have
> > been ported for use in PD as well.
> >
> > Whatever you decide to do will require some research, but the
> > solution is definitely out there.
> >
> > Paul Scriver
> > paulscriver@earthlink.net
> > http://www.paulscriver.com
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 19, 2007, at 12:02 PM, Ingvar Loco Nordin wrote:
> >
> >> Is there any (comparably cheap!) software out there for Macintosh,
> >> late X systems, in which you can apply as many tracks as you want
> >> (say, between 1 and 30, at least), which you can then loop
> >> individually. I have Amadeus Pro now for doing simple editing of
> >> tracks, but it CANNOT loop tracks individually. The playback
> >> function - madly! - can only be applied to all tracks at once,.
> >>
> >> I have the wonderful SoundMaker, which will loop tracks
> >> individually as far as memory goes, but it doesn't run on newer
> >> Macs (Intel) with OS X. As of now I have to bring the sounds that
> >> I've made on the new machine with OS X to and older Mac that runs
> >> on 9.2.2., to pour the aiffs into Soundmaker and achieve what I
> >> want. It's SO easy with Soundmaker.
> >>
> >> The idea is to loop a number of tracks that are of various
> >> durations, so that the relationships between the sounds keep
> >> changing as long as you let the loops loop, during which time you
> >> can record the sound of 30 tracks looping and changing phases and
> >> appearences, and then you can loop the results of this, and so on.
> >> It is very fun, and I've achieved really dreamy results - but I
> >> can't find any software yet that can do this on late Macs.
> >>
> >> Any suggestions? (I am pretty ignorant in these areas, but I
> >> really do need this feature!)
> >>
> >> All the best,
> >>
> >> Ingvar Loco Nordin
> >> Sweden
> >
>
>
>
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